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20.       Nisreen
1413 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:52 pm

sorry but I didn't understand anything!!
when we use them?do u have to use them?

21.       elone
47 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 02:53 pm

Quoting Nisreen:

sorry but I didn't understand anything!!
when we use them?do u have to use them?


When you command sb to do sth, you use Emir kipi
When you let sb do sth, you use İstek kipi
When you wish for sth, you use Dilek-Şart kipi

If you don’t want to command, let or wish, of course you don’t have to use them.

22.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 03:31 pm

Elone's versions are correct.
Miss Ceyda, you are confusing imperative (emir kipi) with optative (istek kipi) in third person singular. Many sources mention the wrong versions. Check winmekmak. It has the correct version. I have updated that part on the program myself.

Elone,
I agree with you about this version below but I think the third person singular and plurals for istek kipi ("o gele", "onlar geleler") have become too uncommon. They only exist in sayings such as "gele gele", "gide gide". For instance, nowadays "kolay gele" is replaced with "kolay gelsin". I think both third persons are almost omited from language. Therefore I we have pointed to this detail when we updated winmekmak. Here is a screenshot:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6894/optativeni5.jpg

Quote:


in İSTEK KİPİ we add -e

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
>>o gel-e<<
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
>>onlar gel-e-ler<<

in EMİR KİPİ there is no first person conjugation.

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler



So, my version would be slightly different:

İSTEK KİPİ (optative mood)

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
NOT AVAILABLE
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
NOT AVAILABLE

EMİR KİPİ (imperative)

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
"onlar gelsinler" or "onlar gelsin" (both are possible)

23.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 05:36 pm

Quoting pazhystama:

Quote:

allahım ya :'( napıcam ben şmdi.. kafam harbiden karıştı ya... ööfff...
ya nolur yardım et... örnek versene lütfen :'(



for example
Nereye gideyim? Birinci katta, sağda ikinci odaya git.

gideyim is istek kipi and git is emir kipi

all in all it means
Where should I go? Go to the first floor, the second room on the right.
the firs is inquiry the second is like command


Quoting pazhystama:

Finally I got it my self and only because I tried to explain somebody else...



Yes... I did understand in this sense anyway...
Anyway, let me keep reading and see what i understand

24.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 05:41 pm

Yani, Erdincin anlatiklarina gore.. bu threadi okumadan once, dogru soyluyordum hepsini?? Demi?? :S

Ya bu kolay isi gectim sandim... off

25.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 18 Oct 2006 Wed 08:24 pm

Quoting miss_ceyda:

Yani, Erdincin anlatiklarina gore.. bu threadi okumadan once, dogru soyluyordum hepsini?? Demi?? :S

Ya bu kolay isi gectim sandim... off

26.       darrenmania
230 posts
 23 Oct 2006 Mon 07:34 pm

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler

in EMİR KİPİ there is no first person conjugation.

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler


we don't use this things like this.we compound İSTEK KİPİ and EMİR KİPİ like this

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel
o gelsin
biz gel-e-lim
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler


never use this things:


sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler


you can see these only in poems and folkloric temas.

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27.       darrenmania
230 posts
 23 Oct 2006 Mon 07:35 pm

28.       CANLI
5084 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 12:23 am

Quoting darrenmania:


we don't use this things like this.we compound İSTEK KİPİ and EMİR KİPİ like this

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel
o gelsin
biz gel-e-lim
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler


never use this things:


sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler


you can see these only in poems and folkloric temas.


So when you want to say something in İstek Kipi,you use same suffixe as Emir Kipi with sen,O,Siz,Onlar ?
Doğru mu ?

When you want to say,
Let him got to school,
We say,
Okula gitsin.
Not,
Okula gele.

Doğru mu ?

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