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1.       pazhystama
100 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 12:37 am

are there any special words used together with istek kipi that could help to distinguish it from emir kipi? because the endings are the same and i find it pretty hard to understand properly.

2.       elone
47 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:07 am

in İSTEK KİPİ we add -e

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler

in EMİR KİPİ there is no first person conjugation.

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler

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3.       pazhystama
100 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:17 am

Quote:

in İSTEK KİPİ we add -e

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler

in EMİR KİPİ there is no first person conjugation.

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler



yeah it's ok if you do it with gelmek. and what about such verbs as sormak or almak or oturmak?

4.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:30 am

Quoting pazhystama:

Quote:

in İSTEK KİPİ we add -e

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler

in EMİR KİPİ there is no first person conjugation.

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler



yeah it's ok if you do it with gelmek. and what about such verbs as sormak or almak or oturmak?



sorayım
sorasın
sorsun
soralım
sorasınız
sorsunlar

oturayım
oturasın
otursun
oturalım
oturasınız
otursunlar



as you can see, each one depends on the vowel harmony (which im sure you know already )

5.       pazhystama
100 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:32 am

and don't they match with emir kipi?

6.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:32 am

What the hell is "Emir Kipi"!?! I have never heard this term...
Are those words there actually used.. I have never heard them.. I have seen them on some Turkish- learning- site before but it had a lot of mistakes on so I thought that may be one too!?

7.       elone
47 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:38 am

EMİR KİPİ is IMPERATIVE

8.       elone
47 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:40 am

Quoting miss_ceyda:

Quoting pazhystama:

Quote:

in İSTEK KİPİ we add -e

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler

in EMİR KİPİ there is no first person conjugation.

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler



yeah it's ok if you do it with gelmek. and what about such verbs as sormak or almak or oturmak?



sorayım
sorasın
sorsun
soralım
sorasınız
sorsunlar

oturayım
oturasın
otursun
oturalım
oturasınız
otursunlar



as you can see, each one depends on the vowel harmony (which im sure you know already )



İSTEK KİPİ

sorayım
sorasın
sora
soralım
sorasınız
soralar

oturayım
oturasın
otura
oturalım
oturasiniz
oturalar

EMİR KİPİ

NOT AVAILABLE
sor
sorsun
NOT AVAILABLE
sorun
sorsunlar


NOT AVAILABLE
otur
otursun
NOT AVAILABLE
oturun
otursunlar

9.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:40 am

Quoting elone:

EMİR KİPİ is IMPERATIVE



huh? :S

i dont understand these terms
im sure i will have to learn them before i become a teacher of language eh? hehe

why have i never heard these words actually used in conversation though? they are not commonly used are they?
i always here the emir kipi words..?


emir kipi= command mode?
istek kipi= request mode?
whats this?? :S

10.       pazhystama
100 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:46 am

Quote:

Quoting elone:

EMİR KİPİ is IMPERATIVE




huh? :S

i dont understand these terms
im sure i will have to learn them before i become a teacher of language eh? hehe

why have i never heard these words actually used in conversation though? they are not commonly used are they?
i always here the emir kipi words..?


emir kipi= command mode?
istek kipi= request mode?
whats this?? :S



yes you are right about the modes. It's just that i'm stucked on those two half of the day already and i still don't get it.

11.       elone
47 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:49 am

imperative means yes COMMANDS. but in english grammar commands are named as IMPERATIVE.

so Emir kipi is IMPERATIVE

istek kipi is not actually request.. maybe it is the "wish" form in english.

12.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:50 am

Quoting elone:

imperative means yes COMMANDS. but in english grammar commands are named as IMPERATIVE.

so Emir kipi is IMPERATIVE

istek kipi is not actually request.. maybe it is the "wish" form in english.


so what, if i always used istek kipi would there be a problem? :S

13.       elone
47 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:54 am

Quoting miss_ceyda:

Quoting elone:

imperative means yes COMMANDS. but in english grammar commands are named as IMPERATIVE.

so Emir kipi is IMPERATIVE

istek kipi is not actually request.. maybe it is the "wish" form in english.


so what, if i always used istek kipi would there be a problem? :S



of course. there would be a problem. it is not suitable for discourse. for example if you say "gel" it means you command sb strongly to come. if you say "gelesin" it means "I wish you came"
when you wish sth use İSTEK KİPİ
when you command sth use EMİR KİPİ

14.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:55 am

Quoting elone:

Quoting miss_ceyda:

Quoting elone:

imperative means yes COMMANDS. but in english grammar commands are named as IMPERATIVE.

so Emir kipi is IMPERATIVE

istek kipi is not actually request.. maybe it is the "wish" form in english.


so what, if i always used istek kipi would there be a problem? :S



of course. there would be a problem. it is not suitable for discourse. for example if you say "gel" it means you command sb strongly to come. if you say "gelesin" it means "I wish you came"
when you wish sth use İSTEK KİPİ
when you command sth use EMİR KİPİ




allahım ya :'( napıcam ben şmdi.. kafam harbiden karıştı ya... ööfff...
ya nolur yardım et... örnek versene lütfen :'(

15.       elone
47 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 02:03 am

türkçeyi iyi biliyorsun sanırım sana türkçe anlatıyorum

İstek Kipi

Bir iş, oluş veya hareketin yapılmasının, olmasının istendiğini belirten kiptir. Ekleri ses uyumuna göre "-e, -a" dır

Emir Kipi

Bir iş, oluş veya hareketin olmasını, yapılmasını veya yapılmamasını emretmek için kullanılır. Sadece şahıs eki alır. Mantık olarak insanın kendine emir veremeyeceği icin de 1. tekil ve çoğul şahsa göre çekimi yoktur


16.       pazhystama
100 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 02:14 am

Quote:

allahım ya :'( napıcam ben şmdi.. kafam harbiden karıştı ya... ööfff...
ya nolur yardım et... örnek versene lütfen :'(



for example
Nereye gideyim? Birinci katta, sağda ikinci odaya git.

gideyim is istek kipi and git is emir kipi

all in all it means
Where should I go? Go to the first floor, the second room on the right.
the firs is inquiry the second is like command

17.       pazhystama
100 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 02:16 am

Finally I got it my self and only because I tried to explain somebody else...

18.       Chrisfer
70 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 05:16 am

Quoting elone:

imperative means yes COMMANDS. but in english grammar commands are named as IMPERATIVE.

so Emir kipi is IMPERATIVE

istek kipi is not actually request.. maybe it is the "wish" form in english.



Actually, I don't think we have a word for this in English. We use "let", or sometimes "may" (for 3rd person).

Let's (let us) go.
Let me do that.
Let him go.
May you live a thousand years!

19.       elone
47 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 12:44 pm

Quoting Chrisfer:

Quoting elone:

imperative means yes COMMANDS. but in english grammar commands are named as IMPERATIVE.

so Emir kipi is IMPERATIVE

istek kipi is not actually request.. maybe it is the "wish" form in english.



Actually, I don't think we have a word for this in English. We use "let", or sometimes "may" (for 3rd person).

Let's (let us) go.
Let me do that.
Let him go.
May you live a thousand years!



DEFINITELY YES

sorry for the assumption of "the wish form"

I think "wish" is the equivalent of "Dilek şart kipi" in Turkish.
we put -SE or -SA after the verb. as an example:

gel-se-m
gel-se-n
gel-se
gel-se-k
gel-se-niz
gel-se-ler

20.       Nisreen
1413 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 01:52 pm

sorry but I didn't understand anything!!
when we use them?do u have to use them?

21.       elone
47 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 02:53 pm

Quoting Nisreen:

sorry but I didn't understand anything!!
when we use them?do u have to use them?


When you command sb to do sth, you use Emir kipi
When you let sb do sth, you use İstek kipi
When you wish for sth, you use Dilek-Şart kipi

If you don’t want to command, let or wish, of course you don’t have to use them.

22.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 03:31 pm

Elone's versions are correct.
Miss Ceyda, you are confusing imperative (emir kipi) with optative (istek kipi) in third person singular. Many sources mention the wrong versions. Check winmekmak. It has the correct version. I have updated that part on the program myself.

Elone,
I agree with you about this version below but I think the third person singular and plurals for istek kipi ("o gele", "onlar geleler") have become too uncommon. They only exist in sayings such as "gele gele", "gide gide". For instance, nowadays "kolay gele" is replaced with "kolay gelsin". I think both third persons are almost omited from language. Therefore I we have pointed to this detail when we updated winmekmak. Here is a screenshot:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6894/optativeni5.jpg

Quote:


in İSTEK KİPİ we add -e

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
>>o gel-e<<
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
>>onlar gel-e-ler<<

in EMİR KİPİ there is no first person conjugation.

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler



So, my version would be slightly different:

İSTEK KİPİ (optative mood)

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
NOT AVAILABLE
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
NOT AVAILABLE

EMİR KİPİ (imperative)

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
"onlar gelsinler" or "onlar gelsin" (both are possible)

23.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 05:36 pm

Quoting pazhystama:

Quote:

allahım ya :'( napıcam ben şmdi.. kafam harbiden karıştı ya... ööfff...
ya nolur yardım et... örnek versene lütfen :'(



for example
Nereye gideyim? Birinci katta, sağda ikinci odaya git.

gideyim is istek kipi and git is emir kipi

all in all it means
Where should I go? Go to the first floor, the second room on the right.
the firs is inquiry the second is like command


Quoting pazhystama:

Finally I got it my self and only because I tried to explain somebody else...



Yes... I did understand in this sense anyway...
Anyway, let me keep reading and see what i understand

24.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 05:41 pm

Yani, Erdincin anlatiklarina gore.. bu threadi okumadan once, dogru soyluyordum hepsini?? Demi?? :S

Ya bu kolay isi gectim sandim... off

25.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 18 Oct 2006 Wed 08:24 pm

Quoting miss_ceyda:

Yani, Erdincin anlatiklarina gore.. bu threadi okumadan once, dogru soyluyordum hepsini?? Demi?? :S

Ya bu kolay isi gectim sandim... off

26.       darrenmania
230 posts
 23 Oct 2006 Mon 07:34 pm

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler

in EMİR KİPİ there is no first person conjugation.

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler


we don't use this things like this.we compound İSTEK KİPİ and EMİR KİPİ like this

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel
o gelsin
biz gel-e-lim
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler


never use this things:


sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler


you can see these only in poems and folkloric temas.

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27.       darrenmania
230 posts
 23 Oct 2006 Mon 07:35 pm

28.       CANLI
5084 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 12:23 am

Quoting darrenmania:


we don't use this things like this.we compound İSTEK KİPİ and EMİR KİPİ like this

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel
o gelsin
biz gel-e-lim
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler


never use this things:


sen gel-e-sin
o gel-e
siz gel-e-siniz
onlar gel-e-ler


you can see these only in poems and folkloric temas.


So when you want to say something in İstek Kipi,you use same suffixe as Emir Kipi with sen,O,Siz,Onlar ?
Doğru mu ?

When you want to say,
Let him got to school,
We say,
Okula gitsin.
Not,
Okula gele.

Doğru mu ?

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