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What about Turkish lovers?
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 08:34 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: I don't get what this discussion is all about. How can you compare lovers on the basis of nationality? Were that possible there'd be a worldwide research done and the guys from the "bottom nations" would only dream of getting a partner.
Men are men, women are women! In every nationality there are good and bad lovers, just as there are good and bad people. True, we can discuss the culturally influenced Turkish "softness" and sweettalking which are typical of eastern regions, but will it provide us with the answers we're looking for? Do you think that choosing a guy from a particular country minimizes your chances of getting coned? I don't think so. Every relationship is an individual matter. I know girls who are happy with their Turkish boyfriends and those who were cheated on, just like I know those who are happy with their fellow-country men and those who are unhappy in such relationships.
I strongly feel this is not a matter of culture or nationality that faciliates or puts the relationship at risk. It is the people who are involved that make it a bliss or a cuse.
Sticking to stereotypes does more harm than good. If we assume that Turkish guys are players who go for western girls just to gain some experience before marrying a decent Turkish virgin would be unfair to both men and women as not all Turkish guys are like this, let alone all Turkish girls!
On the other hand, assuming that all Turks are passionate, delicate and sensitive creatures may end up in somebody's getting wrongdone by an individual who is not like this.
As far as I'm concerned, we all have our own minds and life experience to judge everybody that we are willing to start a relationship with. Regardless of nationality, religion or culture. Is that enough to stay out of trouble? Hardly so, but that's what life is about - nothing ventured, nothing gained! |
Daydreamer, you are completely right. However, I understood the topic a little differently. Namely, what are the cultural differences in the ways men from different cultures express their love. And there can of course be even some contradicting messages there as well, but overall, i think we can get some sort of feeling about it. For example, many people had experiences with Turks from which they'd say that Turks like to tell sweet lies, others would say that Turks are reserved and don't like to show feelings. Someone from GB would said that Brits are straightforeward and not very romantic. I don't think that if you hear someting like that you're going to think - oh, so 100% of Brits aren't romantic, wow! I think we are smart enough to distinguish between cultural effects on people from individual characteristics.
I don't understand why people have such a hard time talking about the majority and someone always jumps in saying that it's not true because there are other cases. Just because there are decent men in Turkey doesn't mean that we can't say that there are much higher amounts of men in the touristic places who are sluts! When we talk about touristic places, we talk about touristic places, not absolutely ALL Turkish guys!
Why do people love Turkey so much? Because it is different in some ways then the other places they've been to. Does it mean that all of Turkey is different? No, but there is clearly a difference when you go there!
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 08:35 pm |
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Quoting Aslan: I got this splendid idea from this thread! ...from now on I will keep a card index so I will never forget from which nationality the best lovers are...and o´boy, do I have much work to do from now on! I have to be scientific...and in order to not hold a nationality before one I did not try...I will have to try´em all! 
Oh, came to think of it...a zillionaire might not be the answer after all! ...I can get all the fun I need in life just by taking responsibility of my card index! 
...how many nationalities are there in the world at the present?  |
Hahahahahahaha! Well we were discussing earlier about awarding them Michelin style stars TT - what do you reckon? Can you handle the "research" side for us by yourself, and we will collate the data?
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 08:36 pm |
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...hehe...why not? ...after all you are my friends!
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 08:37 pm |
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Quoting Aslan: ...hehe...why not? ...after all you are my friends! |
Good girl! That's the spirit! Now, better go and have a lie down eh? Prepare yourself 
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 08:40 pm |
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 08:41 pm |
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Sorry Catwoman - I hid your post with spam I don't fully agree with what you say here  , but have but it back to the front again...
Quoting catwoman: Quoting Daydreamer: I don't get what this discussion is all about. How can you compare lovers on the basis of nationality? Were that possible there'd be a worldwide research done and the guys from the "bottom nations" would only dream of getting a partner.
Men are men, women are women! In every nationality there are good and bad lovers, just as there are good and bad people. True, we can discuss the culturally influenced Turkish "softness" and sweettalking which are typical of eastern regions, but will it provide us with the answers we're looking for? Do you think that choosing a guy from a particular country minimizes your chances of getting coned? I don't think so. Every relationship is an individual matter. I know girls who are happy with their Turkish boyfriends and those who were cheated on, just like I know those who are happy with their fellow-country men and those who are unhappy in such relationships.
I strongly feel this is not a matter of culture or nationality that faciliates or puts the relationship at risk. It is the people who are involved that make it a bliss or a cuse.
Sticking to stereotypes does more harm than good. If we assume that Turkish guys are players who go for western girls just to gain some experience before marrying a decent Turkish virgin would be unfair to both men and women as not all Turkish guys are like this, let alone all Turkish girls!
On the other hand, assuming that all Turks are passionate, delicate and sensitive creatures may end up in somebody's getting wrongdone by an individual who is not like this.
As far as I'm concerned, we all have our own minds and life experience to judge everybody that we are willing to start a relationship with. Regardless of nationality, religion or culture. Is that enough to stay out of trouble? Hardly so, but that's what life is about - nothing ventured, nothing gained! |
Daydreamer, you are completely right. However, I understood the topic a little differently. Namely, what are the cultural differences in the ways men from different cultures express their love. And there can of course be even some contradicting messages there as well, but overall, i think we can get some sort of feeling about it. For example, many people had experiences with Turks from which they'd say that Turks like to tell sweet lies, others would say that Turks are reserved and don't like to show feelings. Someone from GB would said that Brits are straightforeward and not very romantic. I don't think that if you hear someting like that you're going to think - oh, so 100% of Brits aren't romantic, wow! I think we are smart enough to distinguish between cultural effects on people from individual characteristics.
I don't understand why people have such a hard time talking about the majority and someone always jumps in saying that it's not true because there are other cases. Just because there are decent men in Turkey doesn't mean that we can't say that there are much higher amounts of men in the touristic places who are sluts! When we talk about touristic places, we talk about touristic places, not absolutely ALL Turkish guys!
Why do people love Turkey so much? Because it is different in some ways then the other places they've been to. Does it mean that all of Turkey is different? No, but there is clearly a difference when you go there! |
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 08:48 pm |
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Quoting catwoman:
I think we are smart enough to distinguish between cultural effects on people from individual characteristics.
I don't understand why people have such a hard time talking about the majority and someone always jumps in saying that it's not true because there are other cases. Just because there are decent men in Turkey doesn't mean that we can't say that there are much higher amounts of men in the touristic places who are sluts! When we talk about touristic places, we talk about touristic places, not absolutely ALL Turkish guys!
Why do people love Turkey so much? Because it is different in some ways then the other places they've been to. Does it mean that all of Turkey is different? No, but there is clearly a difference when you go there! |
All of the above is right, sure we tend to generalize while discussing nationwide issues . However, my point was to warn against such things as generalization. The trouble with it is that it may provoke someone to take a biased attitude because of the stereotypes. For example, a girl going out with a resort - waiter type might get too suspicious to let her see what he is really like.
Quoting catwoman:
I don't think that if you hear someting like that you're going to think - oh, so 100% of Brits aren't romantic, wow! |
Thinking about it - no, definitely not, but let me tell you an anegdote. A Polish guy working in Germany as a gardener was asked by a German lady to fix her sink. "But I'm not a plumber" he said. ""I know, but you are a Pole" she replied.
If you asked her if she really believed that all Poles are plumbers, of course she'd say it is impossible. Still, because of the stereotypes she reacted this way. I abide by what I said, stereotypes are dangerous as they make us biased.
BTW, somebody is really ashamed because she forgot about somebody's birthday
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 09:04 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting catwoman:
I think we are smart enough to distinguish between cultural effects on people from individual characteristics.
I don't understand why people have such a hard time talking about the majority and someone always jumps in saying that it's not true because there are other cases. Just because there are decent men in Turkey doesn't mean that we can't say that there are much higher amounts of men in the touristic places who are sluts! When we talk about touristic places, we talk about touristic places, not absolutely ALL Turkish guys!
Why do people love Turkey so much? Because it is different in some ways then the other places they've been to. Does it mean that all of Turkey is different? No, but there is clearly a difference when you go there! |
All of the above is right, sure we tend to generalize while discussing nationwide issues . However, my point was to warn against such things as generalization. The trouble with it is that it may provoke someone to take a biased attitude because of the stereotypes. For example, a girl going out with a resort - waiter type might get too suspicious to let her see what he is really like.
Quoting catwoman:
I don't think that if you hear someting like that you're going to think - oh, so 100% of Brits aren't romantic, wow! |
Thinking about it - no, definitely not, but let me tell you an anegdote. A Polish guy working in Germany as a gardener was asked by a German lady to fix her sink. "But I'm not a plumber" he said. ""I know, but you are a Pole" she replied.
If you asked her if she really believed that all Poles are plumbers, of course she'd say it is impossible. Still, because of the stereotypes she reacted this way. I abide by what I said, stereotypes are dangerous as they make us biased.
BTW, somebody is really ashamed because she forgot about somebody's birthday |
It is actually funny, because I'd also think that all guys know how to fix plumbing, especially Polish guys . Maybe becaue all the men in my family and neighborhood (back in Poland) know how to fix cars, plumbing, electricity... etc.
Yes, that German woman would know that NOT ALL Polish men know plumbing, but she must have also thought that the probability is high that he would know.
Yes, I'm definitely also against stereotyping. It can lead to racism and other types of hatred and discrimination.
Yes, it's important not to forget the big picture, but at the same time there are also some distinguishing characteristics among different nations and cultures.
A small proof of that is something called culture shock, which points out that there are cultural subtleties in which people grow and express themselves and which are distinctively different for different nations.
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 09:06 pm |
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After reading this post and the number of responses, I have to ask. Why do we spend so much time talking about Turkish men/lovers/boys/husbands/boyfriends etc.?
Even I have got caught up in these threads giving my worthless 2 cents!
Maybe we should have "secret" index forum with passcodes required so we can all keep track! Judging by the 'personal' love messages that people are willing to post in the public forum for translations, surely some would LOVE to share all the dirty details!!!!!! LOOOOL As in the words of KeithL, "Not that I would know anything about that!" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Hope I'm not spoiling this thread or offending anybody! Just find it really comical that this topics comes up soooo often!
Oh...I know love day's over..but luv ya'll!!!!
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 09:18 pm |
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hahaha, yes! let's go back to the topic of Ataturk!
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 09:25 pm |
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Quoting Capoeira: After reading this post and the number of responses, I have to ask. Why do we spend so much time talking about Turkish men/lovers/boys/husbands/boyfriends etc.?
Even I have got caught up in these threads giving my worthless 2 cents!
Maybe we should have "secret" index forum with passcodes required so we can all keep track! Judging by the 'personal' love messages that people are willing to post in the public forum for translations, surely some would LOVE to share all the dirty details!!!!!! LOOOOL As in the words of KeithL, "Not that I would know anything about that!" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Hope I'm not spoiling this thread or offending anybody! Just find it really comical that this topics comes up soooo often!
Oh...I know love day's over..but luv ya'll!!!! |
@ capo.....love ya to hun! 
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