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07 Aug 2007 Tue 07:32 am |
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Quoting korshad: Let me give a brief analysis to the word Uyghur.
Uyghur came from Uy-Oghur.
Uy is alliance. Oghur is early dialectic form of Oghuz. Note the early western migrant Turks (Qutoghur, utoghur, onoghur etc), it also implies the "R" and "Z" Turkic variation. Uyghur is the alliances of the Oghurs (or Oghuzs).
Unlike the common belief of Oghuz as the meaning of arrows, "Oq+uz", I think the word of "Oghuz" is more related to the meaning of "white, right, best". We had specific tribal seperation such as Buzoq and Uchoq, which never became as buzoghuz or Uchoghuz. "z" turkic being later seperation, the early form is Oghur. Now we can trace the meaning:
Toghur: just, right
Oghuz süti: the first milk of the mother (best)
White is some how related to the right in Turkic.
aq yol-good, right path
For me, oghur or oghuz can mean the people on the right path (who followed the blue wolf?).
In the Oghuzhan legend, a group of people allied with him, and took the throne, and he called them Uyghurs.
I also heard uyghar in Turkiye Turkic came from the Uyghur after the language reform. Despite the current situation of the Uyghurs, during Uyghur empire and later periods they did achieve cultural height, that the mucis, fashion, food, dance etc became fashionable even in Tang capital according to many peoms by Tang poets. The first printing objects in the world were found to be Uyghur script in Dunhuang. In Uyghur, however, we still use "medeniyet" (Arabic) for civilization.
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Thank you Korhsad!
I just guessed Uyghur was related to "Ogur". You confirm that it's indeed so. I should have known it though.
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07 Aug 2007 Tue 11:18 pm |
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As I never said anything about being a Canadian, I don't really know how you got that idea. I am located in Canada, but that shouldn't matter as I have lived in various different places in the past. The reason why I can include myself in WE is because Turkish happens to be my mother tongue, and I happen to be a native of Istanbul.
Quoting si++: Quoting cynicmystic: Sure, we started using the word 'uygar' after the language reform, but that is a bit beside the point because we nevertheless chose 'uygar' of all words as it must have had a Turkic base to it. ... |
We? I thought you were a Canadian. You include yourself in "WE"? |
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08 Aug 2007 Wed 07:38 am |
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Quoting cynicmystic: As I never said anything about being a Canadian, I don't really know how you got that idea. |
From your profile. So now you've made it clear that you're not.
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12 Aug 2007 Sun 01:22 am |
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Would you say that the Turkish word 'dogru', meaning 'right' comes from 'Toghur'?
I find that quite interesting.
Quoting si++: Quoting korshad: Let me give a brief analysis to the word Uyghur.
Uyghur came from Uy-Oghur.
Uy is alliance. Oghur is early dialectic form of Oghuz. Note the early western migrant Turks (Qutoghur, utoghur, onoghur etc), it also implies the "R" and "Z" Turkic variation. Uyghur is the alliances of the Oghurs (or Oghuzs).
Unlike the common belief of Oghuz as the meaning of arrows, "Oq+uz", I think the word of "Oghuz" is more related to the meaning of "white, right, best". We had specific tribal seperation such as Buzoq and Uchoq, which never became as buzoghuz or Uchoghuz. "z" turkic being later seperation, the early form is Oghur. Now we can trace the meaning:
Toghur: just, right
Oghuz süti: the first milk of the mother (best)
White is some how related to the right in Turkic.
aq yol-good, right path
For me, oghur or oghuz can mean the people on the right path (who followed the blue wolf?).
In the Oghuzhan legend, a group of people allied with him, and took the throne, and he called them Uyghurs.
I also heard uyghar in Turkiye Turkic came from the Uyghur after the language reform. Despite the current situation of the Uyghurs, during Uyghur empire and later periods they did achieve cultural height, that the mucis, fashion, food, dance etc became fashionable even in Tang capital according to many peoms by Tang poets. The first printing objects in the world were found to be Uyghur script in Dunhuang. In Uyghur, however, we still use "medeniyet" (Arabic) for civilization.
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Thank you Korhsad!
I just guessed Uyghur was related to "Ogur". You confirm that it's indeed so. I should have known it though. |
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17 Aug 2007 Fri 01:37 pm |
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I don't think so.
It can be tokur-mak + -u suffix (like getir-i)
or it could be -arı/-eri direction suffix
ileri ( < ilg-erü ilk=first)
üzeri ( < üst-eri)
geri
beri
yukarı ( < yokarı yok-uş )
aşağı ( < altarı )
içeri
dışarı
doğru ( < toguru < togarı ) (maybe)
Quoting cynicmystic:
Would you say that the Turkish word 'dogru', meaning 'right' comes from 'Toghur'?
I find that quite interesting.
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06 Sep 2007 Thu 05:11 am |
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Hi all
I just want to add something about the etymology of word “Oguzâ€. It is not surprising to see that the word “Oguz†related to “white,right, best†as Korshad mentioned. Because I think it withstand to ancient Sky God religion of Turkic/Tur people. If it is not related to religion, I do not think that it can be this much important for Turkic people. As you know, in this Sky God religion, “Gök-Tanrı†was ONE(BİR) and the creator of universe but besides there was also “Gün Tanrı†and “Ay-Tanrı†which were also created by “Gök-Tanrı†and everything in the universe was created by this trinity. It was believed that “Gün-Tanrı†and “Ay-Tanrı†were eyes of the “Gök-Tanrı†in similitude, one is blind( Ay Tanrı ), other is ember(Gün Tanrı, one cannot look at this eye) so “Gök-Tanrı†was also called “Kor( ateş )/Kör Tanrı/Gozâ€. On account of these names which represents the Turanian trinity sky God, “O-GOZ†was used to represent all of them. Later it becomes Oguz/Okoz/Okuz. So the name “Oguz†was very important for Turks. The animal symbol of “Oguz†was “Öküz†or in other name “wild Boa/Bogaâ€. Besides “Oguz†has also lots of names which shows its different attributions(such as Aguz/Agız). It is interesting to see that the name “Oguzâ€, is similar to ancient Grek God “Zeusâ€, and also in many cultures “Öküz†was used as an idol for God.
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 04:09 pm |
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Azerbaijan
http://literature.aznet.org/literature/gorgud/gorgud_en.htm
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 04:34 pm |
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Oğuz comes from Okuz >> Ok ( arrow)
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 05:22 pm |
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Umut,here all in Turkish:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIFD-EMd_sY&feature=related
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 05:33 pm |
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Uyghur Dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXfI6Tkrd40&feature=related
Uyghur Nightingale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qegqE7vAbDk
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16 Nov 2007 Fri 07:27 am |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: Oğuz comes from Okuz >> Ok ( arrow) |
Yes.
I had already talked about it (See post #110 in this thread).
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