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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:32 pm |
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Quoting elham: Arab governments have not violate the rights of women . If there were violations of the rights of Arab women are from people who are far away from Islam, They are extremists who have violated the rights of women, through the enactment of laws such as prevent her driving a vehicle or stay at home or wearing the hijab, which covers all her face, or not to go to beauty shops |
Oh please, we see examples of injustice to women in arab nations all the time. The examples we can list are endless. For example, just recently, the women in tehran that are being arrested for not being dresses conservative enough. Or the women in kuwaut waiting at bustops arrested for not being escorted by a man. Are these violations of human rights not obvious enough to you? Do we need more examples? Create an infinite thread of womens suffering in Arabic nations? Please...
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:34 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Elham, with all due respect, find me a Turkish woman that would trade the freedom she "suffers through" in Turkey for the freedom "you enjoy" in Baghdad... |
There is no comparison here, because the situation of women in Baghdad, as I think is better than come person who stand in the door of the university, and tell her takeoff your scraf
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:35 pm |
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Quoting Aysenur: Quoting KeithL: I'm not trying to offend you actually. I am only pointing out that muslim women in Turkey are treated better "as muslims" than maybe any country in the world. So rather thn criticize the country where muslim women have it best, why not vocalize the cause in other nations where muslim women have it far, far worse. |
You are right that in many points muslim woman in turkey are well treated but this issue can be changed and it will be a good for the turkish society. I have this thing on my heart because if I give birth to a girl and once she can not get good education and she is discriminated because she wears scarf I would be so upset and sad... This is why I would like the things change for the best in turkey. Insha allah.
PS: thank you for the respect because this conversation is strictly in a constructive base... |
I agree this is a diificult issue to solve maybe. I only say that Turkey is targeted unfairly by the islamic exremists when far worse issues are in plain sight for all to see. Fix the problems in the rest of Arabya first, then, lets discuss fixing Turkey.
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:38 pm |
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Quoting elham: Arab governments have not violate the rights of women . |
Excuse me? I am not an expert, but the only time we hear something positive about women in the arabic world is when they were able to escape their countries.
Women in Teheran are being arrested for not wearing appropriate clothes enough, do you think that is not violatin the rights of women? In my beliefs religion is close to the heart and has nothing to do with clothing at all. I know there are different opinions on this, but oppressing someone to wear conservative clothes takes away the freedom of religion and makes religion an oppressed lifestyle.
I am not sure if this is true, but I have heard and read several times that a woman is not allowed to leave the country without the permission of her man?
I would stronlgy disagree if you dare say so that the arabic government does not violate the rights of women. And secondly, would she not violate, she is not in the least bit doing something to stop the men who violate these rights.
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:38 pm |
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Quoting elham: Quoting KeithL: Elham, with all due respect, find me a Turkish woman that would trade the freedom she "suffers through" in Turkey for the freedom "you enjoy" in Baghdad... |
There is no comparison here, because the situation of women in Baghdad, as I think is better than come person who stand in the door of the university, and tell her takeoff your scraf |
Bismillah
I think that one of the things which divide the muslim nations is things like this...NO ONE IS THE BEST.
The best muslim country was at the time of our beloved prophet (SAW). Now it is worst and it will may be more worst in 100 years... Hope not but...
Then please brothers ans sisters don't fall in the trap of shaytan..
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:40 pm |
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Quoting elham: Quoting KeithL: Elham, with all due respect, find me a Turkish woman that would trade the freedom she "suffers through" in Turkey for the freedom "you enjoy" in Baghdad... |
There is no comparison here, because the situation of women in Baghdad, as I think is better than come person who stand in the door of the university, and tell her takeoff your scraf |
I will start the "Opressed Women of Istanbul" scholarship immediately. All tuition and travel paid by me to attend baghdad university. Please respond to me immediately before all available vacancies are filled!
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:44 pm |
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KeitL - Don't preach about secularism, democracy, republic, other muslim countries, etc. Simply answer me: I do want to wear headscarf, this is my right, my human right, and I have no problem with secularism, democracy, etc, nor do I care about the situations/human rights/women in other muslim countries. For a moment, put all these aside. I live in Turkey, and only the case in Turkey interests me right now. Just tell me: How come you can forbid me from wearing headscarf/turban?
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:44 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting elham: Arab governments have not violate the rights of women . |
Excuse me? I am not an expert, but the only time we hear something positive about women in the arabic world is when they were able to escape their countries.
Women in Teheran are being arrested for not wearing appropriate clothes enough, do you think that is not violatin the rights of women? In my beliefs religion is close to the heart and has nothing to do with clothing at all. I know there are different opinions on this, but oppressing someone to wear conservative clothes takes away the freedom of religion and makes religion an oppressed lifestyle.
I am not sure if this is true, but I have heard and read several times that a woman is not allowed to leave the country without the permission of her man?
I would stronlgy disagree if you dare say so that the arabic government does not violate the rights of women. And secondly, would she not violate, she is not in the least bit doing something to stop the men who violate these rights. |
Our religion is a religion of peace.
The word ISLAM means peace.
YOu should not be confused between islamic sects and ISLAM.
Islam start from the heart.
May Allah guide us.
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:47 pm |
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Quoting panta rei: KeitL - Don't preach about secularism, democracy, republic, other muslim countries, etc. Simply answer me: I do want to wear headscarf, this is my right, my human right, and I have no problem with secularism, democracy, etc, nor do I care about the situations/human rights/women in other muslim countries. I live in Turkey, and only the case in Turkey interests me right now. Just tell me: How come you can forbid me to wear headscarf/turban? |
Because Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the savior of this country you live in, said not to...
Thats why...
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:49 pm |
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Quoting KeithL:
Because Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the savior of this country you live in, said not to...
Thats why... |
Ataturk said what? Enlighten me please!
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:51 pm |
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you know the girls here in the usa who by religious reasons wear a scarf...they are allowed this. in the usa no one is begruged an education because of the clothes they wear unless the clothes they wear make a statement/claim to belong to a 'gang' of roughians.
if scarfs arent allowed in some educational institutions in turkey...it seems its only the scarf that isnt allowed. not the person. The fact that that same person has the 'opportunity' for an education yet declines out of personal self preservation...well...it seems everywhere, any country, any school there are rules to allow all others to educate themselves in the most peaceful environment. there must be a reason for the rule or else it wouldnt have been made. anyway, thats how it seems.
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