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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:51 pm |
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you know the girls here in the usa who by religious reasons wear a scarf...they are allowed this. in the usa no one is begruged an education because of the clothes they wear unless the clothes they wear make a statement/claim to belong to a 'gang' of roughians.
if scarfs arent allowed in some educational institutions in turkey...it seems its only the scarf that isnt allowed. not the person. The fact that that same person has the 'opportunity' for an education yet declines out of personal self preservation...well...it seems everywhere, any country, any school there are rules to allow all others to educate themselves in the most peaceful environment. there must be a reason for the rule or else it wouldnt have been made. anyway, thats how it seems.
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:52 pm |
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We should make a difference between ataturk and Islam.
If you follow ataturk I respect you but if you follow islam you will agree that this case is not correct. This is a personal decision.
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:56 pm |
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The thing is for a turkish girl go in another country to study is most of the time impossible...Then if they can not in turkey where they will learn... You do not find it sad of being punish for your religious decision. One of the thing in the constitution in America is the freedom of religion... It should be like this in Turkey too...
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:59 pm |
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aysenur - we know you are quite excited. But will you let us, too, to post some messages or at least see/notice who has posted what message? 
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:00 pm |
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Quoting Aysenur: We should make a difference between ataturk and Islam.
If you follow ataturk I respect you but if you follow islam you will agree that this case is not correct. This is a personal decision. |
So again I say, why attack the founder of what may be the best muslim nation in the world and use your energy to attack the leaders of these other muslim nations. This argument of course is about attacking Turkey's secularism, not defending the rights of Turkey's women. Lets help the women at the bottom of the islamic world first rather than help the women at the top.
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:00 pm |
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Quoting panta rei: aysenur - we know you are quite excited. But will you let us, too, to post some messages or at least see/notice who has posted what message? |
hahahaha ok ok...sorry lol
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:02 pm |
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KeithL - I am waiting for you to enlighten me by telling what Ataturk said about the subject/turban!
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:13 pm |
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aysenur...since you brought up your concerns about this subject...what did you find for the reason of banning the scarfs from the educational institution you are referring to? was it always banned? how long did it take to make such a decision? based on what reasons? were the scarfs allowed one day then banned the next? Im curious as to the background information youve researched regarding this...do you know why the came about actually?
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:21 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting elham: Quoting KeithL: Elham, with all due respect, find me a Turkish woman that would trade the freedom she "suffers through" in Turkey for the freedom "you enjoy" in Baghdad... |
There is no comparison here, because the situation of women in Baghdad, as I think is better than come person who stand in the door of the university, and tell her takeoff your scraf |
I will start the "Opressed Women of Istanbul" scholarship immediately. All tuition and travel paid by me to attend baghdad university. Please respond to me immediately before all available vacancies are filled! |
How far do you expect you could propose a solution to the problem by restraining, exacting obedience (or avoiding to call it a problem) and otherizing in the end.
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:23 pm |
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Quoting panta rei: KeithL - I am waiting for you to enlighten me by telling what Ataturk said about the subject/turban! |
Did Atatürk say anything about the turban? His mother had a turban.
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:25 pm |
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Quoting TeresaJana: aysenur...since you brought up your concerns about this subject...what did you find for the reason of banning the scarfs from the educational institution you are referring to? was it always banned? how long did it take to make such a decision? based on what reasons? were the scarfs allowed one day then banned the next? Im curious as to the background information youve researched regarding this...do you know why the came about actually? |
hello Teresa I hope this is why you wanted to know : )
Istanbul has a rich Islamic past. Until 1922, it was the center of the last great Islamic empire of the Ottomans. But in 1923, Kemal Ataturk became the first leader of a Muslim people to believe that in order to modernize, Islam's influence on society had to be crushed.
Under Ataturk, Friday ceased to be a public holiday, and mosques emptied. Sharia law was replaced by Western legal codes. Islamic scholars were forced under state control. Arabic script was replaced by the Latin alphabet. European dress was required for both men and women.
By the 1970s, Turkey had become the most Westernized of Muslim countries and an active member of NATO. But at the same time, rapid urbanization was changing Turkey's cities, and a free market economy had increased inequality. Voters were frustrated at what they saw as corruption within the political system. Many Muslims began to question Ataturk's belief that Islam should be removed from politics. Pro-Islamic politicians promised to rectify a split that they saw as artificial.
By 1996, a Turkish Islamic party had gained enough popularity to win over 20 percent of the national vote and came to power in a coalition government. In response, secular officials clamped down on Islam's most visible symbols, among them the head scarf.
Clothing considered to be "religious" is banned in Turkey under a 1925 dress code
Women who wear the scarf are banned from universities and jobs in the public service like teaching and nursing
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