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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:25 pm |
Quoting TeresaJana: aysenur...since you brought up your concerns about this subject...what did you find for the reason of banning the scarfs from the educational institution you are referring to? was it always banned? how long did it take to make such a decision? based on what reasons? were the scarfs allowed one day then banned the next? Im curious as to the background information youve researched regarding this...do you know why the came about actually? |
hello Teresa I hope this is why you wanted to know : )
Istanbul has a rich Islamic past. Until 1922, it was the center of the last great Islamic empire of the Ottomans. But in 1923, Kemal Ataturk became the first leader of a Muslim people to believe that in order to modernize, Islam's influence on society had to be crushed.
Under Ataturk, Friday ceased to be a public holiday, and mosques emptied. Sharia law was replaced by Western legal codes. Islamic scholars were forced under state control. Arabic script was replaced by the Latin alphabet. European dress was required for both men and women.
By the 1970s, Turkey had become the most Westernized of Muslim countries and an active member of NATO. But at the same time, rapid urbanization was changing Turkey's cities, and a free market economy had increased inequality. Voters were frustrated at what they saw as corruption within the political system. Many Muslims began to question Ataturk's belief that Islam should be removed from politics. Pro-Islamic politicians promised to rectify a split that they saw as artificial.
By 1996, a Turkish Islamic party had gained enough popularity to win over 20 percent of the national vote and came to power in a coalition government. In response, secular officials clamped down on Islam's most visible symbols, among them the head scarf.
Clothing considered to be "religious" is banned in Turkey under a 1925 dress code
Women who wear the scarf are banned from universities and jobs in the public service like teaching and nursing
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:30 pm |
Quoting qdemir: His mother had a turban. |
This is an irrelevant point! I want to read only what Ataturk might have said about the subject/turban; and do hope KeithL will enlighten me!
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:32 pm |
You know, KeithL, it is not urgent; you have enough time to search about what Ataturk might have said about the subject/headscarf. I will highly appreciate your answer to my question whenever you feel you are ready to give an answer.
Till then, is there anyone else, preferably a hero(es), who is willing to or could give an answer to my question? Below will read you my situation and my question at the end:
Put all secularism, democracy, the republic laws, other muslims countries and the situations and women rights in those countries aside. I, too, need and will need secularism, democracy, the republic laws, and many more as much as everyone else needs. I have no problems with all these; they are always welcome. On the other hand, I do want to wear "turban", this is a human right, my right, my freedom. Just like everyone has the right and freedom not to wear turban wherever they like, I have the same to wear it wherever I like. So, how come my right and freedom to wear turban, can be forbidden?
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:34 pm |
My view is that one person sees an opportunity to get an education as progress. One step that was more than a thousand years in the making actually, if you want to go back even before Attaturk. Hopefully, one day the scarfs will be allowed once again.
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:38 pm |
Quoting TeresaJana: My view is that one person sees an opportunity to get an education as progress. One step that was more than a thousand years in the making actually, if you want to go back even before Attaturk. Hopefully, one day the scarfs will be allowed once again. |
I also hope...Insha allah
Thank you
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:41 pm |
Quoting panta rei: Quoting qdemir: His mother had a turban. |
This is an irrelevant point! I want to read only what Ataturk might have said about the subject/turban; and do hope KeithL will enlighten me! |
I was just refering to those who say my mother or grandmother wears a headscarf too, and I am not against the headscarf, but...
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:42 pm |
Quoting Aysenur: Quoting TeresaJana: My view is that one person sees an opportunity to get an education as progress. One step that was more than a thousand years in the making actually, if you want to go back even before Attaturk. Hopefully, one day the scarfs will be allowed once again. |
I also hope...Insha allah
Thank you |
teresa
you think she got you?
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 11:13 pm |
i think everythings will be finer in our lovely country with the social agreement,and seems need a bit more time and to understand each other a bit more...
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 11:23 pm |
MrX67 - I beg you, please don't involve in, at least, this thread, and stop posting such clips from youtube as well, or that spoiled leander with her brain-like thing, will terribly scold all of us again!
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 11:24 pm |
MrX just using his rights illegal way brother,any harm? and MrX will be everywhere wheres goodness,friendship and peace
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05 Jun 2007 Tue 11:27 pm |
Freedom of religion in the US, someone mentioned here. I don't think so, especially in schools. They have abolished prayer in school and now the ten commandments. Know wonder we have so many kids who are unethical and have no morals. But it's not prohibited to wear a scarf or a cross of symbolic meaning to school. Before long I'm sure this to will be taken away. It's the minority who suffers! The majority says we should abolish smoking in restaurants even though we have smoking sections. Guess what nearly half the states in the US, you cannot smoke in a restaurant. I have decided over the last few months to change parties, I am now officially a libertarian. One last thing to mention concerning the post, you are permitted to wear head scarves in school & in public in the U.S. however, people do often judge it's book by it's cover. American woman have never really accepted the head scarf here in the U.S. and can't understand in todays world, in a country full of freedom (partially true) why a woman would want to hide herself. I am still puzzled with this as well, I have to admit. Woman are beautiful and shouldn't feel the need to hide their beauty no matter what religion they are. But on the other hand, I would never disrespect that person either. I understand customs and traditions and have a tolerance for such, but most people don't unfortunately.
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