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Muslim Athlete Disqualified Over Uniform
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 10:46 pm |
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Quoting azade: I'm convinced that would make loads of young muslim woman drop sports because they can't compromise with their faith - the whole 'do I want to play some sports in this life or go to heaven in the next' scenario is going to play a huge role.
It is important not to lose these woman, to encourage them to play their part in society and the opposite is going to happen if they will be excluded from these kinds of activities. |
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 10:57 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: to be naked in brain better way to be naked on body |
Just to put it in extremes: what if my personal faith of naturalism, tells me that I should do sports naked? Will you exclude me from the competition, or will you be naked of brain and let me be naked of body during the competition?
Im too much of a dinsiz to discuss religious matters and Im sick of this 'but my religion tells me so' even when it doesnt. But Azade has a good point, because Muslim women need more than ever to be included in our society and join any activity available. But then again, I dont think I find 'faith' a suitable reason to join or not to join something on free basis.
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 11:33 pm |
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Quoting azade: Quoting teaschip1:
However, referring to sports specifically they do have specific attire and I believe everyone should be upheld to these standards. In American soccer (football) you are not permitted to wear jewerly. Well, if I am a Christian who wears a cross...I am required to take it off. Guess what, if I refuse I am not permitted to play. Why should this girl be considered an exception to the rule, because of her faith?  |
In the example you mention there is a difference for two reasons.
Jewellery is forbidding in contact sports because they are potentially dangerous. Fingers can get caught in necklaces, earrings can get ripped out etc. Actually you can just use tape over your earrings so if you want to wear a cross just do that.
Also wearing a cross is not a requirement in christianity, but convering of the body in islam is (or at least highly recommended). |
So covering of the body in islam is a requirement?  You are contradicting yourself here azade.. My example was merely to show that anyone with a religious belief could state it is against their religion in order to have the rules bent in sports. If we allow one religion, we would have to allow every religion. This makes no sense..
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 11:51 pm |
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I don't think you read what I wrote. Covering the body in islam is, by the vast majority of muslims, seen as a requirement. Wearing a cross, as you used as an example, is not a requirement. It's not about simply stating something is a requirement just for the heck of it, it is of huge importance to them. That's a fact. Now, what you want to do about it, that's something that can be put to debate.
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18 Jan 2008 Fri 01:33 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quite easy: as long as the rules upon clothing in certain sports dont change, she has to dress just like anyone else.
Though she mentions that last year she was allowed to go like this, I think that shows inconsistency, but even then, she should dress conform the rules. |
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18 Jan 2008 Fri 01:39 am |
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Quoting azade: I don't think you read what I wrote. Covering the body in islam is, by the vast majority of muslims, seen as a requirement. Wearing a cross, as you used as an example, is not a requirement. It's not about simply stating something is a requirement just for the heck of it, it is of huge importance to them. That's a fact. Now, what you want to do about it, that's something that can be put to debate. |
Well... this is against the western secular society. Religion is supposed to be a private matter and it should be of no public importance or special treatment. If you are a muslim who can't accept these rules, than you should move to saudi arabia, western society is obviously incompatible with your beliefs. If you want to stay and participate, you have to accept the rules.
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18 Jan 2008 Fri 01:48 am |
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Quoting azade: I'm convinced that would make loads of young muslim woman drop sports because they can't compromise with their faith - the whole 'do I want to play some sports in this life or go to heaven in the next' scenario is going to play a huge role.
It is important not to lose these woman, to encourage them to play their part in society and the opposite is going to happen if they will be excluded from these kinds of activities. |
Obviously such women have a cultural clash issue they need to sort out for themselves. They may need some counseling and education to overcome their hang-ups. Muslim men didn't put such dumb restrictions on themselves, so they don't have problems participating in public life and sports, how smart of them! 
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18 Jan 2008 Fri 02:08 am |
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"getting religion involved in any subject and/or any subjects with religion as the main theme is prohibited"
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18 Jan 2008 Fri 02:47 am |
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"The custom-made, one-piece blue and orange unitard covers her head, arms, torso and legs. Over the unitard, she wears the same orange and blue T-shirt and shorts as her teammates."
"But meet director Tom Rogers said Kelly's uniform violated rules of the National Federation of State High School Associations, which sanctioned the event. Uniforms are required to be "a single-solid color and unadorned, except for a single school name or insignia no more than 2 1/4 inches," he said."
if the girl's uniform violated the rules as stated in the article, then her whole school should have been disqualified...
i thought it was rather hilarious that the meet director asked the girl to wear an extra t-shirt (so 2 t-shirts) over her unitard...
"including placing a plain T-shirt over her unitard and then wearing her team uniform over it."
by the way, professional track athletes do wear unitards like the girl's.
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18 Jan 2008 Fri 06:19 am |
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Like she said, she didn't have a problem with them telling her she couldn't compete because of the multicolor of the outfit, she just wishes she would have told her earlier. I'm sure she could have had an all blue or all orange one made up and been fine.
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18 Jan 2008 Fri 06:21 am |
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Quoting lalisia: "getting religion involved in any subject and/or any subjects with religion as the main theme is prohibited" |
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