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Muslim Athlete Disqualified Over Uniform
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 02:08 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: you're link doesn't open here in Turkey - anyone else able to open it in Turkey ???
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 Still banned eh? 
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 02:09 pm |
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Quote: i think you put everyone in to same pot,and you are supporting to limits for all just for some exceptions,thats a strange democracy undertanding really??sure we all against to all sort radicals,but we all have to be hand by hand by keeping main democratical rights for don't give political supplies to all who against to real democracy(racists,extrem nationalists,radical religiouses etc....) |
I think the point is that these radicals are becoming the "norm" in the UK.
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 02:20 pm |
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The whole of youtube looks like it has been banned in Turkey - whatever next - this is ridiculous !
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 02:24 pm |
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welcome to turkey
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 02:31 pm |
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Quoting ciko: welcome to turkey |
you know Ciko, I've been here fo years and years and yet still get a shock every week ! I find myself saying "Gunaydın" all the time !!!
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 03:49 pm |
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This will be something you never get used to I guess!! Some people ask me if I will apply for Turkish citizenship once I get married. Never say never but for me it feels as if I would give up some part of my freedom!!
I love Turkey, but sometimes I get so desperate about these kind of thingss
Thehandsom, I think it's a loss for your country that you are not there anymore!
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 03:57 pm |
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MrX67, can you please answer these questions as being just a question. Im not referring to anything (I didnt intend to) so that also means Im not attacking anything. No peacefully-, islam-, or freedom-related answer, just a to-the-point answer on each question please! 
If you are a woman and believe in something, that says man is worth more than woman, should we say 'Its your right to believe that a man is worth more than a woman' or should we try and protect you from yourself?
If someone believes in something, should we just stay away and say 'freedom', or should we try to explain that the TEMELLERİ of what that person believes, are wrong?
If someone believes in something, KNOWİNG that what he/she believes in is wrong, should we say 'freedom' or feel sorry for that person?
Quoting MrX67: [i'm guess you thinking all the women and girls who covering their heads or wearing a bit different doin that with only society's,family's or men's pressure and they r all slaves of the out pressures and noone of em doesn't have any personality or identity? |
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 04:34 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: MrX67, can you please answer these questions as being just a question. Im not referring to anything (I didnt intend to) so that also means Im not attacking anything. No peacefully-, islam-, or freedom-related answer, just a to-the-point answer on each question please!
If you are a woman and believe in something, that says man is worth more than woman, should we say 'Its your right to believe that a man is worth more than a woman' or should we try and protect you from yourself?
If someone believes in something, should we just stay away and say 'freedom', or should we try to explain that the TEMELLERİ of what that person believes, are wrong?
If someone believes in something, KNOWİNG that what he/she believes in is wrong, should we say 'freedom' or feel sorry for that person?
Quoting MrX67: [i'm guess you thinking all the women and girls who covering their heads or wearing a bit different doin that with only society's,family's or men's pressure and they r all slaves of the out pressures and noone of em doesn't have any personality or identity? |
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:11 pm |
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Let's see if I can follow, Teas....SPORTS is a competition dictated by rules of a game? Correct? Lets assume for a moment you say yes....HUMMM...RULES....a set of expectations that must be followed in order to play the game.....UNIFORM...a required state of dress usually denoting that you belong to a certain team. There are usually RULES about UNIFORMS.
Religion....in the West participation is voluntary....in other words....NOT PART OF THE RULES.
I really could care less if people who don't want to follow the rules don't get to play the game.
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 07:05 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: .............The fact is that if you are a radical islamist you should move to the UK. We have them all here - taking instruction by videocam straight from Saudi Arabia!!! They enjoy great status here and can work wherever they like and wear whatever they want, despite preaching that all non-muslims should be killed !!!
A recent BBC documentary went inside the largest and most popular mosque in Birmingham and found only hatred, anti-western propaganda and instruction that "all westerners were evil and should be killed"
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Yeeeeeks...that is horrible! I did not watch the whole thing...too depressing. Very disturbing indeed. I have been to a variety of mosques around the USA and have not found that type of thing. It is wrong and unIslamic in the extreem. The addiction to oil and the consequent oil money has done a lot to spread Wahhabism, which is a very intolerant version of Islam.
Wahhabi
"The appeal of Wahhabism to Muslims has been described as stemming from Arab nationalism, which was attracted by the Wahhabi attack on the Ottoman Empire; reformism, which was attracted to a return to al-salaf al-salih; their control of the two holy cities of Mecca and Medina, which gave Wahhabis great influence on Muslim culture and thinking; and the discovery of Persian Gulf oil fields, which after 1975 allowed Wahhabis to promote their interpretations of Islam using billions from oil export revenue."
Wahhabism is decended from the school of Ibn Taymiyyah
which is the school that legalized killing of other Muslims.
"In the Mamluk's war against the Mongols (or Tartars), he issued a fatwa declaring the Mongols non-Muslims, and jihad upon them not only permissible, but obligatory. He based this ruling on the grounds that although the Mongols had converted to Sunni Islam they ruled using 'man made laws' (their traditional Yassa code) rather than Islamic law or Shari'ah, and thus were living in a state of jahiliyya, or pre-Islamic pagan ignorance.`Every group of Muslims that transgresses Islamic law ... must be combated, even when they continue to profess the credo.` "
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 08:19 pm |
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Quoting alameda: It is wrong and unIslamic in the extreem. |
Frankly, I am a bit sick of hearing this. Extreme muslims make up the largest percentage of the Islamic world - you only have to look to Islamic States, let alone immigrants in the west. Yet we are constantly told they are all "extreme" and not representative of Islam.
On the other side of the coin, the less extreme muslims of Turkey, for example, are regarded with distain by those states.
Who are we to believe when talking about what is the true Islam? 
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