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Muslim Athlete Disqualified Over Uniform
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21 Jan 2008 Mon 05:12 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting MrX67: pity so many people like you never aware of the realities their own society or country?? |
MrX, what exactly makes YOU an expert on the "realities in your own society"? Why don't you prove that your version of reality is more right then handsom's. You are only making claims that have no reflection in reality. |
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21 Jan 2008 Mon 05:20 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting MrX67: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting MrX67: Quoting thehandsom: Just as an extra info:
Couple of years ago I was in Sile/Istanbul with my parents on the beach. And we saw several women wearing those head to toe covering things. And the men with them were wearing very long swimming trunks. They were trying to enjoy themselves.
My first thought was 'oh well, they have right to be there and enjoy themselves as like any other citizens'. But bizaarly my mother, who is a quite devoted muslim, did not take the same view. Her reaction was :'What is this? if you are that muslim what are you doing here?'. She also said that (in her simplistic turkish way) 'they are trying to say that all these girls wearing normal swimming costumes on this beach are all prostitutes'.
That was what her opinion was about the subject!!
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I think my mother knows them very well. That is the reason why she talked like that.
Her daughter/my sister goes to the beach in swimming costume.
AND SHE KNOWS THAT WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT HER.
That is what makes her angry.
She knows that it is not about islam or freedom. she knows that they want sheria by heart. She knows that they are faking the freedom cries for their ultimate goal which is sheria.
It is the common people's generic idea btw in Turkey.
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There is only one way out of this unfortunately.
I think, somehow, the islamists make the public believe that they DENOUNCE THE SHERIA.
They should say it publicly and make everybody believe they are not after sheria.
Dont you agree?
And I am hoping that you are against the backward, anti democratic, dogmatic Seria which was abolished by Ataturk.
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21 Jan 2008 Mon 06:53 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting thehandsom:
There is only one way out of this unfortunately.
I think, somehow, the islamists make the public believe that they DENOUNCE THE SHERIA.
They should say it publicly and make everybody believe they are not after sheria.
Dont you agree?
And I am hoping that you are against the backward, anti democratic, dogmatic Seria which was abolished by Ataturk.
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Sheria is one of the biggest political&social phobia in Turkey and we all know that clearly thats impossible and except only a few extrems biggest part of Turkish people like to live in real secularism,thats all..oposite thoughts blaming head scarf with to be a political symbol but thats really not easy to understand that they doin a sharp policy with the same clothe pieces to,really sad |
Of course sheria will be a phobia in Turkey or anywhere in the world.
It is one of the most primitive way the people can rule themselves.
Dont you agree with that?
However, I am still insisting that unless islamists publicly denounce sheria and make everybody believe they are not after sheria, this struggle will continue.
Dont you agree?
I have never heard of any islamists denouncing it or saying clearly : "WE ARE AGAINST SHERIA".
Have you?
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21 Jan 2008 Mon 08:35 pm |
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is thehandsom who always defends freedom of speech defending "headscarf ban" now?
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21 Jan 2008 Mon 10:54 pm |
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Quoting ciko: is thehandsom who always defends freedom of speech defending "headscarf ban" now? |
Not really..
I think, I made myself clear on 'headscarf ban'. It should be allowed everywhere except the government departments.
Because states provides services and the service a states provides should be impartial. A typical example: a Turban wearing judge will create an effect that she may not be impartial in a case between a jew and a muslim. And this will shadow the impartiality of the state.
Because states CAN NOT HAVE religions in secular systems.
Apart from that I dont give a damn thing if somebody wears hasema or nothing at all on the beach.
However, all I was trying to say above was islamists should clear themselves from SHERIA. (can they?)
I have yet to see an islamist denouncing sheria.
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 01:12 am |
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what makes me angry is that a headscarved woman cant work in government department but a man who has same ideas can do anything in the same places..a radical islamist man can be a judge! is this fair?
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 01:15 am |
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Quoting ciko: what makes me angry is that a headscarved woman cant work in government department but a man who has same ideas can do anything in the same places..a radical islamist man can be a judge! is this fair? |
The fact is that if you are a radical islamist you should move to the UK. We have them all here - taking instruction by videocam straight from Saudi Arabia!!! They enjoy great status here and can work wherever they like and wear whatever they want, despite preaching that all non-muslims should be killed !!!
A recent BBC documentary went inside the largest and most popular mosque in Birmingham and found only hatred, anti-western propaganda and instruction that "all westerners were evil and should be killed" 
I love our country!.....NOT
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dEDVSLIkd5w
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 12:57 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: what makes me angry is that a headscarved woman cant work in government department but a man who has same ideas can do anything in the same places..a radical islamist man can be a judge! is this fair? |
The fact is that if you are a radical islamist you should move to the UK. We have them all here - taking instruction by videocam straight from Saudi Arabia!!! They enjoy great status here and can work wherever they like and wear whatever they want, despite preaching that all non-muslims should be killed !!!
A recent BBC documentary went inside the largest and most popular mosque in Birmingham and found only hatred, anti-western propaganda and instruction that "all westerners were evil and should be killed"
I love our country!.....NOT
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dEDVSLIkd5w
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 01:51 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting ciko: is thehandsom who always defends freedom of speech defending "headscarf ban" now? |
Not really..
I think, I made myself clear on 'headscarf ban'. It should be allowed everywhere except the government departments.
Because states provides services and the service a states provides should be impartial. A typical example: a Turban wearing judge will create an effect that she may not be impartial in a case between a jew and a muslim. And this will shadow the impartiality of the state.
Because states CAN NOT HAVE religions in secular systems.
Apart from that I dont give a damn thing if somebody wears hasema or nothing at all on the beach.
However, all I was trying to say above was islamists should clear themselves from SHERIA. (can they?)
I have yet to see an islamist denouncing sheria.
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 02:07 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: what makes me angry is that a headscarved woman cant work in government department but a man who has same ideas can do anything in the same places..a radical islamist man can be a judge! is this fair? |
The fact is that if you are a radical islamist you should move to the UK. We have them all here - taking instruction by videocam straight from Saudi Arabia!!! They enjoy great status here and can work wherever they like and wear whatever they want, despite preaching that all non-muslims should be killed !!!
A recent BBC documentary went inside the largest and most popular mosque in Birmingham and found only hatred, anti-western propaganda and instruction that "all westerners were evil and should be killed"
I love our country!.....NOT
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dEDVSLIkd5w
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you're link doesn't open here in Turkey - anyone else able to open it in Turkey ???
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 02:08 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: you're link doesn't open here in Turkey - anyone else able to open it in Turkey ???
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 Still banned eh?
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