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Report reveals horrors of violence against Turkish women
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130.       alameda
3499 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 05:02 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

Seems shocking, doesn´t it? Why would someone approve of being beaten? Well, we need to turn to psychology a bit before we judge those women. It is not uncommon for a victim of any violence to identify with the perpetrator. When you are in an abusive relationship your self-esteem begins to deteriorate rapidly. If you´re told or shown by the abuser´s actions (somebody you perceive to have authority over you) that you´re worthless over and over again, you soon start to believe it. For some women, the erosion of self-esteem is so great that they actually begin to believe they deserve the abuse and that they brought it on themselves. If there´s nobody to tell them otherwise they will live by that belief.

 

It is an unfortunate fact that the oppressed often learn to believe the opressor. We have seen it over and over again.

 

How did aparthed continue? How did slavery and Jim Crow continue for so long? I think another term for this type of Stockholm syndrome.

131.       Melek74
1506 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 05:11 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

lets not go that far into psychology thing, lets not pretend that we are smarter than sheena or bydand.

...

and dont talk to me as if i were one of your students or whatever.

 

I think you made a good point previously and I commented on it drawing on my personal knowledge and experience. You have a right to disagree with me and express it, although I do think we agree more than you´d allow it to admit. I do see, however, that you are incapable of having a civil discussion/debate/exchange of ideas without it turning to be about you. You surely should start realizing that your style of communication is hurting you as some people (including myself) have difficulty taking you seriously despite some good points that you do try to make. I´ll have to join vineyards in his recommendation for you to seek professional help. Until then, I do not intend wasting any more of my precious time either reading or responding to your posts.

132.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 05:22 pm

I wondered if anyone here was aware of a campaign by the TUC (Trade Unions Congress) in the UK and joining unions around the world to eradicate violence against women?  The TUC marked the International Day of Eradication of Violence Against Women on Tuesday by joining the White Ribbon campaign.

 

The Unions belive that they play a key role in tackling violence against women, as they see the consequences on a daily basis, in the work place, as it becomes a refuge for the abused woman.  I don´t think people realise that it is a worldwide problem, and seeps into all levels of society.

 

But I believe that campaigns like this will go some way to raising awareness.  There is a link to the White Ribbon campaing, but it was not workng when I tried to access it earlier.

 

Here is the link:

http://www.tuc.org.uk/equality/tuc-15661-f0.cfm 

133.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 05:30 pm

 

Quoting libralady

I wondered if anyone here was aware of a campaign by the TUC (Trade Unions Congress) in the UK and joining unions around the world to eradicate violence against women?  The TUC marked the International Day of Eradication of Violence Against Women on Tuesday by joining the White Ribbon campaign.

 

The Unions belive that they play a key role in tackling violence against women, as they see the consequences on a daily basis, in the work place, as it becomes a refuge for the abused woman.  I don´t think people realise that it is a worldwide problem, and seeps into all levels of society.

 

But I believe that campaigns like this will go some way to raising awareness.  There is a link to the White Ribbon campaing, but it was not workng when I tried to access it earlier.

 

Here is the link:

http://www.tuc.org.uk/equality/tuc-15661-f0.cfm 

 

 I had not heard of it, thanks Libralady.

 

I may be cynical but I do wonder what exactly these "awareness" campaigns actually achieve.  We have nice pink ribbons for breast cancer awareness, red ones for AIDS awareness and now white ones for this.

 

I do wonder if the purpose is to make people feel better about themselves and to feel that wearing such a thing says something about them.  It appeals to people´s vanity.  Great for armchair activists..... lol

134.       Melek74
1506 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 05:32 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

I haven´t heard about that one, but I´ve read about the changes in laws about forced marriages that were discussed earlier. Here´s that link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7747267.stm

 

It´s UK now, but hopefully, other countries will follow. It´s a big (and yet still too small) step in the right direction.

135.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 05:33 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 I had not heard of it, thanks Libralady.

 

I may be cynical but I do wonder what exactly these "awareness" campaigns actually achieve.  We have nice pink ribbons for breast cancer awareness, red ones for AIDS awareness and now white ones for this.

 

I do wonder if the purpose is to make people feel better about themselves and to feel that wearing such a thing says something about them.  It appeals to people´s vanity.  Great for armchair activists..... lol

 

It is not all about wearing ribbons, I never bother with them, I just try and do something constructive, if it is only helping one woman escape an abusive life.

 

136.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 05:34 pm

 

Quoting libralady

It is not all about wearing ribbons, I never bother with them, I just try and do something constructive, if it is only helping one woman escape an abusive life.

 

 What are you doing that is constructive then?

137.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 05:41 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 What are you doing that is constructive then?

 

 I knew you would ask something like that! {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}  I actually physically helped a friend escape her abusive relationship from an alcoholic partner.  That is all I am going to say.

138.       femmeous
2642 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 05:43 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I think you made a good point previously and I commented on it drawing on my personal knowledge and experience. You have a right to disagree with me and express it, although I do think we agree more than you´d allow it to admit. I do see, however, that you are incapable of having a civil discussion/debate/exchange of ideas without it turning to be about you. You surely should start realizing that your style of communication is hurting you as nobody is taking you seriously despite some good points that you do try to make. I´ll have to join vineyards in his recommendation for you to seek professional help. Until then, I do not intend wasting any more of my precious time either reading or responding to your posts.

 

 i think i will leave this without a comment.

139.       teaschip
3870 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 06:03 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I think you made a good point previously and I commented on it drawing on my personal knowledge and experience. You have a right to disagree with me and express it, although I do think we agree more than you´d allow it to admit. I do see, however, that you are incapable of having a civil discussion/debate/exchange of ideas without it turning to be about you. You surely should start realizing that your style of communication is hurting you as nobody is taking you seriously despite some good points that you do try to make. I´ll have to join vineyards in his recommendation for you to seek professional help. Until then, I do not intend wasting any more of my precious time either reading or responding to your posts.

 

 How can anyone take you seriously....you call out femme then make rude comments back to her.{#lang_emotions_wtf}  If you don´t want to share in a debate with her fine....but it doesn´t do anything for your character to be insulting.  Actually, femme´s communication style might not be in touch with your´s, however believe it or not.......she makes alot of sense...{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

140.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 06:05 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 How can anyone take you seriously....you call out femme then make rude comments back to her.{#lang_emotions_wtf}  If you don´t want to share in a debate with her fine....but it doesn´t do anything for your character to be insulting.  Actually, femme´s communication style might not be in touch with your´s, however believe it or not.......she makes alot of sense...{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 +1000000 Teas

The irony is that the one person who never complains about personal insults is Femme.  At least she is not a hypocrite

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