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Report reveals horrors of violence against Turkish women
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150.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:11 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

Maybe all those people who feel so easily attacked should read WHAT Femme says, instead of only HOW she does it.

 

No, not necessarily. That same thing applies to everybody, and our forum rules are clear "NO personal attacks"!

151.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:13 pm

 

Quoting alameda

I must say, I´m amazed at how Femme´s English has improved, however, her delivery could use  improvement. How one responds is a part of What they have to say. It is difficult to separate from the message, because it´s part of it.

 

We have many members who have difficulty in expressing themselves in English. They sometimes use the wrong words and the way they are put together is sometimes abrupt. There are times when calling people names ceases to be just a verbal mistake and goes into the insult category. This subject is one that illicits passions.

 

If we want to resolve the issue, communication that is informative and inspires collective action is needed. Communication that is repellant is counterproductive.

 

Everyone in this conversation has brought up valid points well worth consideration, none of them should be dismissed. We do want to help abused women, don´t we?  Perhaps, as a collective we can find some common cause.

 

Time for me to leave this topic I think...... how lovely of you to compliment Femmous on her improved English though

 

Your advice about posts is unceasing.  I wish we had voted you to be admin now

152.       alameda
3499 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:16 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 How will these funds raised resolve the problem of the worldwide abuse of women Alameda?

 

My other comment would be that until people such as yourself stop sweeping issues under the carpet for fear of offending, you may as well buy a million ribbons or one, the effect is the same...

 

Excuse me? You have no idea of just what action I have and do take, and I see no need to recount my anti abuse activities here. I don´t see where I have swept the issues under the "carpet". Do you have an example?

 

As for how funds are used.....hmmm....to provide food and shelter, legal fees. I do think before people contribute some research on how the funds are used is a good idea. There are organizations who are not very effective.

 

As for offending, some consider it agitation. Why agitate a hornets nest? Maybe there are better ways to deal with it....like considering all the issues and formulating an effective strategy?

153.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:18 pm

 My answer to you Alameda, (and all people who try to say that the situation is universal) was posted earlier.

 

Quoting TheAenigma

I see this whole thread (with a few exceptions) is another great exercise in TC diplomacy!  Yes there is abuse all over the world, just as there has been male dominance all over the world, since time began.

 

The difference is, some countries attack the problem as far as is physically possible.  They provide shelters for abused women and children to escape to, they provide therapy to the abusers and their victims, they make domestic violence illegal and culturally unacceptable.

 

You may take offence at Femme´s comments, but the fact is it is COMPLETELY RIGHT to criticise a culture or country that ignores domestic violence, or even encourages it. 

 

You may throw back as many cases as you like from my country, but until you stop culturally supporting this, you have NO ARGUMENT.

 

End of story.

 

 

154.       alameda
3499 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:40 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 My answer to you Alameda, (and all people who try to say that the situation is universal) was posted earlier.

 

In that there is a problem. Until you/we realize it is a universal problem, understanding the underlying cause, and finding a solution is not probable.

 

The denial it exists in all countries is another way of sweeping the issue under the carpet. We are all members of the human race, common causes exist for all of us.

155.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:42 pm

 

Quoting alameda

In that there is a problem. Until you/we realize it is a universal problem, understanding the underlying cause, and finding a solution is not probable.

 

The denial it exists in all countries is another way of sweeping the issue under the carpet. We are all members of the human race, common causes exist for all of us.

 

It is a universal problem, but in degrees. At least it is considered a crime in some countries (including my own).  We happily publish "figures" for such things and do not treat it as normal.  The countries who have the largest problem with this have no such statistics because ALL women live in fear.

 

Alameda, you can have the final word.  Frankly I am reminded of a quotation by William McAdoo (another bed Amerikan):-

 

"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument"

156.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:50 pm

A good example:

 

County A reports 100 murders a year.

Country B reports no murders (but this is because it is culturally acceptable to murder, and it is considered quite normal).

 

It makes a "universal problem" quite subjective eh?

157.       vineyards
1954 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:59 pm

The Purple Roof Association is the Turkish equivalent of the European instutitutions working to prevent abuses and violence women are subjected to. They provide shelter and finances to abused women. They are the most famous of such institutions and have been active for quite a long time.

http://www.morcati.org.tr/

158.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 09:01 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

The Purple Roof Association is the Turkish equivalent of the European instutitutions working to prevent abuses and violence women are subjected to. They provide shelter and finances to abused women. They are the most famous of such institutions and have been active for quite a long time.

http://www.morcati.org.tr/

 

 I agree Turkey has done a lot (particularly in recent years) to prevent abuse.  I would make it clear that my comments were not about Turkey

159.       alameda
3499 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 09:21 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 I agree Turkey has done a lot (particularly in recent years) to prevent abuse.  I would make it clear that my comments were not about Turkey

 

We know it exists in many countries.

Did you look at this?

 

 International Directory of Domestic Violence Agencies

160.       Queent
183 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 09:26 pm

Are only women Abused on this planet?

What about Children, Animals, very old People (Men and Women), weak men (also), even plants???

 

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