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160.       tunci
7149 posts
 03 Oct 2014 Fri 10:56 pm

 

*mak/mek  geliyor/geldi

 

This construction is used when you express a  feeling or a  desire [inside of you] to do something. It is normally used with “içinden /içimden

 

Şu an içimden sana sarılmak geliyor. -à I want to hug you now. [A feeling inside of me tells me to hug you ]

 

İçimden onu dövmek geliyor. -à I want to beat him. [ A feeling inside me tells me to beat him ]

 

İçimden yemek yemek gelmiyor. -à I have no desire [inside of me]  to eat.

 

İçimden Fransızca öğrenmek gelmiyor. -à I have no desire to learn French.

 

Hiçbirini yemek içimden gelmiyor.---> I have no desire to eat any of them.

 

Onunla konuşmak içimden gelmiyor.---->  I don’t have desire to talk to him/her.

Bugün okula gitmek içimden gelmiyor. ---->I have no desire to go to the school today.

 

Şu an içinden ne yapmak geliyor ?

What you feel like to do now ?

 

Past form

 

İçimden toplantıyı terketmek geldi ama yapamadım. I wanted to leave the meeting but I couldn’t do it.

 

 



Edited (10/3/2014) by tunci

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161.       tunci
7149 posts
 04 Oct 2014 Sat 11:12 pm

 

 

Some characteristics of Verbals

 

1) Verbals  can convey auxilliary meanings/judgement

 

Geçen -à The one who passes

Yapmak à to do [doing,making]

                 

                  - Çay  yapmak istiyorum.

 

I want to DO [make] tea.

 

- Yoldan geçenlere bakıyordu.

He was looking at the people who was passing by.

 

 

2) Verbals  can take voice suffixes just like

 

          - Benim fikrimin görüşülmesini  istiyorum.

                                Passive voice

 

     I want my view to be discussed.

 

      3)Verbals can take –negative suffix

 

            -Yarın sizinle gelmemeyi tercih ederim.

 

             I prefer not to come with you tomorrow.

           -  Kahvehaneyi sevmeyen bir insandı.

              He was a person who didn’t like coffe-house.

 

4)Verbals can be used with mood of capability [-abil, -ebil]

 

- Senin böyle bir şey yapabileceğini hiç düşünmemiştim.

 

  I never thaught you could do such a thing.

 

 

* So, the verbals actually don’t lose their verb character in complex  sentences.

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162.       tunci
7149 posts
 05 Oct 2014 Sun 04:18 am

 

Olsa gerek

 

It is formed of  ol + conditional –sa  +  gerek [necessity]

 

This construction conveys strong prediction / assumptions of speaker.

 

                     Evde olsa  gerek.

                    He must be home now. [ I assume he must be home now]

 

                    Öyle olsa gerek.

                     It must be like that.

 

                    Bizi dinlemiş olsa gerek.

                    He must have listened us [while we were talking, since he knows what we talked   about ]

                   

                    Bizi duymamış olsa gerek

                    He must have not heard us. [otherwise he would have replied us ]

 

                    Kapı kilitli olsa gerek.

                    The door must be locked. [ Otherwise they could have opened it ]

 

                   Ayhan gelmiş olsa gerek.

                   It must be Ali who came [who is at the door , we assume its him since it’s the time Ayhan always comes]

 

                    Beni görmemiş olsa gerek.

                    He/She  must have not seen me. [ otherwise he/she would have said hello ]

 

                    Onlar senin geldiğini görmüş olsa gerek.

                    They must have seen you coming.

 

 

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163.       tunci
7149 posts
 05 Oct 2014 Sun 10:23 pm

 

-mIş olur

 

This construction is also conveys the prediction /assumption of  the speaker.  Assuming and expecting  that something will happen in certain way after the speech time.

 

Verb stem + mIş   +   olur + Personal suffix

 

-        Sema sabaha Antalya’ya varmış olur. -à Sema will have arrived in Antalya by the morning.

* She has  just got on the bus and we are assuming/expecting her arrive at Antalya in the morning.

 

-        Saat 5’te bankalara kapanmış olur. 

At  5 o’clock the banks will be closed.

 

-        Öbür otobüsü bekleyelim böylece çayımızı da bitirmiş oluruz.

Let’s wait for the next bus so that we will have finished our tea [by then]

 

 

* We assume that until the next bus comes we will have finished our tea. 



Edited (10/5/2014) by tunci
Edited (10/5/2014) by tunci

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164.       tunci
7149 posts
 06 Oct 2014 Mon 01:04 am

 

Epistemic function of –dır in Future Tense

 

The speaker’s evaluation /judgement can be observed in future tense verb by using –dır.

 

-Selim bugün oraya gitmeyecektir.

I think, Selim will  not go there today.

This is speaker’s judgment, in other words speaker thinks that Selim will not go there today.

 

- Bundan sonra herkes senin hakkında konuşacaktır.

I think , from now on everybody will talk about you.

 

 - Artık seni görmek istemeyecektir.

  He / She probably won’t want to see you anymore.

 

 * -dır can be used with ‘heralde’ [probably] 

 

- Selim bugün heralde oraya gidecektir.

 

   Selim probably will go there today.

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165.       tunci
7149 posts
 06 Oct 2014 Mon 03:29 pm

 

Turkish as  an agglutinative language  


Turkish is an agglutinative language. The word "agglutinative" is derived from the Latinverb agglutinare, which means "to glue together".

In Turkish the root of the word can not be divided. Instead, the new words  are formed by adding prefixes or suffixes to the words.

 

Göz --> Eye

Gözlük --> Glasses

Gözlükçü ---> Optician

Gözlüksüz ---> without glasses

Gözlem ---> observation

Gözleme ---> a kind of thin börek cooked on a sheet.

 

Other  agglutinative languages are Hungarian, Mongolian ...



Edited (10/6/2014) by tunci

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166.       tunci
7149 posts
 07 Oct 2014 Tue 03:00 pm

 

In/on / at / for /since / until

 

on

on Tuesday --à Salı günü

on Saturday --à Cumartesi günü

on Friday ----à Cuma günü

 

in

in June -à Haziranda

in July --à Temmuzda

in April --à  Nisanda

 

in 1999  --à 1999 yılında /  1999’da

in 2005  --à  2005 yılında / 2005’te

 

At

at 6 o’clock  --à  saat 6’da

at 11 o’clock ---à saat 11’de

at 4.15 ---à 4.15’de

at half past 9 ---à dokuz buçukta

in two hours --àiki saat içinde

in five minutes --à beş dakika içinde

in five seconds ----à beş saniye içinde

in 20 years --à 20  yıl içinde

 

at dawn  --à şafakta

at last  ---à sonunda

at first ---à ilk önce

at midday --àöğleyin

at midnight ---àgece yarısı

at night  ---àgeceleyin

at noon ---àöğleyin

at once --à derhal

at the beginning ---àbaşlangıçta

at home ---à evde

 

for

for years  --à yıllardır

for 12 days --à12 gündür

for 3 weeks  -à 3 haftadır

for a long time --à uzun zamandır

 

since

 

since 1976 ---à 1976’dan beri

since December --àAralıktan beri

since last night --àdün akşamdan beri

since Monday --à Pazartesinden beri

since 2 o’clock ---à saat 2’den beri

 

until

 

until morning --àsabaha kadar

until last year ---à geçen yıla kadar

until 5 o’clock --à saat 5’e kadar

until now   ---à şimdiye kadar

 

until then --à  o zamana kadar

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167.       tunci
7149 posts
 09 Oct 2014 Thu 05:58 pm

 

Question form of  negative aorist

 

In some contexts, the question form of negative aorist can convey a strong assertive/certain/undoubtful certainity/desire about the action that is happened in the past/ happening in present and going to happen in future.

 

- Dün akşam Galatasaray’ın maçını izledin mi ?

 

- İzlemez miyim !  İzledim tabi.

 

-        Did you watch Galatasaray match last night ?

-        Would I ever miss it ? Of course I did watch it !

 

 

- İstanbul’a gitmek ister misin ?

 

- istemez miyim !  

 

    - Do you want to go to İstanbul ?

    -  Wouldn’t  I want ! [Of course I would want to go to Istanbul ! ]

 

 

- Haftaya bizimle Antalya’ya gelecek misiniz ?

- Gelmez miyiz ! Seve seve geliriz.

 

- Will you come to Antalya next week with us ?

- Would we not come ! Of course we will [come with pleasure] !

 

 

 

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168.       GulBahar
224 posts
 10 Oct 2014 Fri 05:50 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

Olsa gerek

 

It is formed of  ol + conditional –sa  +  gerek [necessity] 

 

This construction conveys strong prediction / assumptions of speaker.

 

                     Evde olsa  gerek.

                    He must be home now. [ I assume he must be home now]

 

                    Öyle olsa gerek.

                     It must be like that.

 

Az önce bir cümleyi bunun (olsa gerek) içinde okudum ve sayenizde anlayabilirdim.

(I´ve just read a sentence that have olsa gerek)

Çok teşekkür ederim herşey için

Emeğinizi sağolsun

169.       tunci
7149 posts
 10 Oct 2014 Fri 06:44 pm

 

Quoting GulBahar

 

 

Az önce içinde "olsa gerek" geçen bir cümle okudum ve sayenizde anlayabilirdim.

(I´ve just read a sentence that have olsa gerek)

Çok teşekkür ederim herşey için

Emeğinize sağlık

 

Rica ederim. Faydalı olabildiysek ne mutlu.

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170.       tunci
7149 posts
 10 Oct 2014 Fri 11:05 pm

Some Deontic and Epistemic aspects

 

Deontic modality:  permission or obligation

Epistemic modality:  possibility or certainty (epistemology: knowledge).


Deontic

İşini bitirdikten sonra çıkabilir.

He may leave after he finishes his job.

[ He is under an obligation to finish his job in order to leave ]

 

 Epistemic


- Her an buraya gelebilir.

He may come here any time.

[ It’s likely for him to come here any time , its possible for him to come here any time]

 


     

Deontic

 

- Alçakgönüllü olmalısınız.

 

You must [should] be humble. [ in order to be liked by other people]

[It is an obligation to being humble here]  

 

   Epistemic

 

- Alçakgönüllü birisi olmalı.

 

He must be a humble person.

[ since he is living in an ordinary small flat despite he is being rich ]

 

 

We are assuming that he is likely being a humble person according to the knowledge of his living in an ordinary house despite being rich ]



Edited (10/10/2014) by tunci

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