Interesting. Two ways to see it. Which means it was maybe not a totally stupid idea to suspect a reflexive marking in the verb in the first place.

Of course I know it now when I see the different forms. One should always keep in mind that any Turkish word with more than two syllables can be split into pieces and modified like a toy train. Thanks again.

It seems you are right, gokuyum. A very quick search brought up double passives for verbs like

         uyunmak (>*uyunulmak)

         beklenmek (>*beklenilmek)

         beslenmek   (>*beslenilmek).

Obviously it has something to do with the passive marking –n which speakers feel is “not enough” or something.

But not all double passive forms ended up in the dictionary like denilmek did. This is only a guess from me but maybe the connection with demek is easier to forget because of the irregularities in its stem vowels and that’s why the more regular (and yet one syllable) den- is considered the imaginary basis of the passive form.

Notes:

1. ...bu kişi en genellikle/çok ne isim ile bilinir? Another usage of çok which I was not aware of.

2. Never heard of nere before but it seems to be a handy question word. It acts like any noun, doesn´t it?

3. ...ırkçılık sorununu ilerlettiği ilerleten/iyileştiren bir adam olarak... Another example of the importance of following the rules. When the relative pronoun in the English equivalent is the subject of the verb (´who advanced the issue of racism´ present participle is used. It´s not about when it happened in the time-line.

Illogical forms appear in every language. The question is when they are accepted into standard language. At some point usually language planners give up. What was the name of the Turkish language authorities´ board again? Do they have a web site? (Just for interest...)

Yes, Mavili, herkesemasal.com works. Maybe it was closed temporarily. It is a fairytale site. There is often very interesting language in these stories. The most amusing thing is to read a story which you already know and then experience it in Turkish.

I collected some quotes from classical fairytales for you:

        

Quote: www.herkesemasal.com

1. “Seni daha iyi yiyebilmek için,” demiş kurt. (Kırmızı Başlıklı Kız)

2. Geriye kala kala camdan ayakkabıların bir teki kalmış. (Külkedisi)

3. Açıl susam açıl!! (Kırk Haramiler)

4. Ansınız bir çocuk bağırmış: “A!....A!... Kral elbiselerini hiç giymemiş!” (Kralın Elbisesi)

5.“Yok, olmaz. Yeterince şişman değil!” diye bağırıyormuş cadı. (Hansel ve Gretel)

6. Kral’ın Faytonu Çizmeli Kedi’nin geçtiği yerlerden geçerken Kral her rastgeldiği insana, “Bu tarlalar kime ait?” diye soruyormuş. (Çizmeli kedi)

7. Zavallı kız, kibriti bir elinden öbür eline geçirerek, parmaklarını ısıttı. (Kibritçi kız)

8. Sağa döndüm, sola döndüm, bir türlü uyuyamadım. (Gerçek Prenses)

Sağ olun, si++. Long live.

Interesting: word order seems to be the problem of the week.

Ok, scalpel, I am sorry.

Yes, it´s mathematics. Addition and subtraction to be exact.

This turned out into a very interesting thread.

I can think of one occasion where in Turkish (-) + (-) doesn´t make (+). hiç + -ma- is double negative but it´s still negative.