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Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1551.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 09:06 pm

Oh and CANLI, Im not debating whether you should or should not put your scarf while praying and stand behind a man. Because it is not your choice. It is something you believe and simply have to follow. So it is not discussing about how it should or should not be done, it is about how correct the way it was described is. You are not to question Allah's rules, you are to follow them. And I understand how you want to defend what we say, because your faith is the core of your being. But as an outsider, I can question them and say why I think they are wrong. And I believe that actually every muslim or christian or whatever should think about the set of rules and beliefs they are given, to choose whether it is something you really believe in and therefore are willing to follow, or if it is something you feel is unacceptable and therefore decide that what you always believed in, is not good, and stop being a believer or believe in something else.



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1552.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 08:58 pm

This also reminds me when I spent the night at a Turkish male friend of mine in Amsterdam. We went out for a drink and there was no train back to my city so I stayed over for the night. When I later told this to a Turkish female friend, she was highly in shock that I had the guts to spend the night with another male. I hadn't even for one single second thought about the fact that he was a male, because I see him as a close friend in the first p lace, and not someone of the opposite sex. There had never been any undecent thought in my head nor in his, we actually sat up for a tea till wee hours, and the next morning he kept knocking the door before entering the room where I slept. But the undecent thoughts are in the heads of the people who think such a thing is impossible.

I wouldn't midn to change my clothes or sleep in the same bed with a male friend that Im closely friends with. Because you both are aware of the fact that you don't see each other that way. This might be another extreme and I dont expect everyone to think by such standards, but in this thread whole other extremes are being told, which I find to be more extreme: they are out of a point of view that opposite sex can only have physical contact if it is in a sexual case or with bad intention. And then considering you are fully dressed in a mosque!



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1553.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 08:54 pm

Quoting CANLI:


Ok,let me explain it a bit more,when we pray,specially at Cuma or Bayram salat,it be very crowded,you stand and your body touching the body of the woman beside you
also when you kneel
So,actually i wont be feeling comfortable touching man!



If you are praying, it is about your relationship with the One Unique Deity, you are trying to connect to him and pay him your tribute. You shouldn't even feel that someone, whether male or female, is touching you.

And the fact that you don't feel comfortable touching a male person during something pure like prayer, is a rather sexistic and unegalitarian sentiment: it either means you think of every contact between male and female as a possible sexual contact, or you think male and female are not equal thus physical contact is disturbing and should be avoided at any cost.



Thread: Outcry after French court rules on virginity.

1554.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 08:49 pm

Quoting mltm:

So, what should have been done? Let the woman stay married with this man, force a couple stay married even though they do not want?



I don't know much of the case, but did the woman ask for a divorce too? I would if I had such a backward husband, but maybe the woman really loves that man And yes, if the husband's reason for a divorce ONLY was her not being a virgin, it would be a statement not to allow the divorce on that grounds. This problem requires a change of mentality, not a divorce.

These obviously are all hypothetical, because I can imagine how the man would respond to the wife if the divorce request was rejected. It would not make it any happier marriage. But it is the fact that the court didnt dismiss the case with lack of evidence (unless the wife confessed her 'crime') ın favor of such an idiot mentality.

And opinions on what is virginity (combined with namus) vary also loads. Some men don't even accept a woman to be their wife if she had previous relationships in which she has kissed. Others think that damage to that part which is to be 'torn' in the first night is a lack of virginity, but some women don't even have it, others have already damaged it by riding a horse or doing gymnastics and most women who willingly have intercourse don't even bleed.



Thread: english-turk please

1555.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 07:45 pm

Quoting mnemr:

my heart is broken, i cry all night because I do not know if you are ok.You do not answer your phone, or reply sms, I cry especially now, because i have to go have surgery without having to chance to see you first. I pray you are ok, and nothing happen to you. i love you.



Kalbim kırıldı, iyi olup olmadığını bilmediğimden dolay bütün gece ağlıyorum. Telefonunu açmıyorsun, mesajlarıma cevap yazmıyorsun, özellike şimdi alıyorum çünkü seni görme fırsatım olmadan ameliyat olacağım. İyisindir diye dua ediyorum, umarım sana bir şey olmadı. Seni seviyorum

(do you mean I pray nothing happens to you, or I hope nothing has happened? In the first case: İyisindir ve sana bir şey olmamıştır diye. In the second case it is as I wrote above).

There may be small grammar mistakes in the 'i pray' part but İ guess this is correct.



Thread: did you know?

1556.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 07:01 pm

Quoting CANLI:

To Muslims its same like bells to Christians,a reminder of the time of prayers



Ive lived in Netherlands for 19 years and never heard the bells of church frequently. I lived in Turkey for 1 year and was woken up nearly every night by ezan
I do prefer ezan sound over church bells though!

Quoting CANLI:


Azan is a call of prayer to remind people of the time of prayers,and to gather people 'who wants' to pray together at mosques.



I think there are more people sleeping at 5 than waking up for ezan Isnt it a passage from Quran 'to you your religion, to me my religion' (something like this?). You can pray as long as you dont bother people who dont. But as you said, if they make rules according to sound and meters, it should not be a problem at all.



Thread: What is your mood today?

1557.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 05:08 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Avalon - as I read somewhere online, "My homeland is where money is" Sad but true.



In Turkish they say:

Vatan doğduğun yer değil, doyduğun yerdir.

The homeland is not the place where you were born, it is the place where your stomach is satisfied.



Thread: did you know?

1558.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 05:03 pm

Quoting elham:

alameda canim,the problem in the mind of the person who think that azan is noise pollution



That is definitely way too simplistic to say! You may say that it is acceptable because it is a country inhabited by muslims, but it is not the state religion and if you were to check statistics of how many people call themselves muslims (let's say 99%, including Alevis who adhere to religious laws less than Sunni), and how many people actually kıl their namaz at all, or some just on friday, you might wonder why it is so loud.



Thread: did you know?

1559.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 05:00 pm

Quoting serhattugral:

One of them is "in a muslim country people must be called to NAMAZ publicly" as in a christian country toll for sunday ceremony.



Yes you are right, but though the overwhelming majority of Turkey is Muslim, it is not an official muslim country.

I'm not saying it should not be tollerated at all, ofcourse, it is part of it, but they dfinitely should do something about the noise at places where it is too loud.



Thread: To refraise this, lets talk about love.

1560.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jun 2008 Mon 01:54 pm

Quoting lady in red:

The posts did make me smile though



The old days, innit



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