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Quoting Daydreamer: I see nothing wrong about a vow like this at school, it is a matter of tradition so I don't think this is what makes nationalists. Some countries don't have vows like this and still there are nationalists.
I believe patriotism is a good thing - a vow doesn't teach it for sure, but gives a sense of belonging. I disagree with any kind of religious lines to be repeated, but if it's just a pledge to your country then what's wrong with it? |
I like such traditions, as I never had them in my school, and I sometimes miss the feeling of really belonging to my country. I just think it is a bit over the top to recite this every day. In my opinion it needs small modification, but apart from that it's a nice tradition.
Maybe in my mind it is just an add-up: a Turkish vow and religious education in Turkish schools. You say you disagree with religious lines to be repeated, and I agree with you. However, Turkish educational system has compulsory religion lessons, based on Suni Islam. As a Christian, you can write a letter to principal and you will be taken off the class. But if your parents are muslim and YOU are Christian, it might become difficult. The worst problem is when you are Alevi: you cannot be excluded from religion class, eventhough they won't teach your children the practises you have faith in. The only way to get out of class is to write a letter, stating you are not a Muslim. But.. in your opinion, you ARE.Just a different group.
Maybe that is why I don't like it, the stress on the history, Turkishness and religion in schools.
But the tradition in itself, is something I agree, that should stay.
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) to buy patlıcan, çarliston biberi and süzme yoğurdu, because I am preparing Ali Nazik tonight. I will do this whilst listening Sezen Aksu, and after dinner I will make some strong Turkish tea and study a comparison between the revolutionary changes in İran and Turkey of Atatürk's time, and see why Turkey became modern and İran has gone backward.. So don't tell me I am against Turkey 
Your parents could have send you to a public-primary school as well. I had the same you had, I went to a Protestant Christian primary school and to a Catholic highschool. If that made me who I am, then there was something wrong with their religious education 
I'm sure you are talking about me Janis, because no other admin or mod has made a comment him/herself in that forum. But just as you are entitled to your opinion (Andımız is good), I am entitled to mine (It could be modified and less frequent).