Yes, but to be honest I dont think that the issue of headscarves is against secularism?

Well I hope it will open a way for people who are neither Kemalist or religious to create a new party.

Ros, can you please resize your image? If you dont know how to do it, I will PM you and tell you how to do it

Oh about my post: I never meant to say that the ENTİRE British and Dutch population is a racist. I just meant that it is ridiculous to debate where and whether there is racism somewhere or not, because it's everywhere unfortunately.

It's pointless to try and debate which country is more racistic. I believe the UK to be a rather racistic place, and the Netherlands, which wasn't really racist let's say some 5 years ago, is going through a very bad development where people have discriminating thoughts about Islam and about foreigners in general. I would never say that there is no racism in the UK or in the Netherlands (I just talk about my two motherlands, I dont know really about the rest of Europe), but it is a fable to believe that the strong nationalism in Turkey, is not very close to racism. That doesn't mean that all who love the oath, are racists. But it means that racists generally love the oath.

I think an oath is nice, especially if it is one that remembers the one who made life of today possible for us yesterday. But what Gernas said, is what I heard of most teachers I have spoken to in Turkey, the majority of teachers and pupils does not feel anything when saying this. If I were to decide (which obviously Im not, but hey, this is all hypothetical anyway), I would start the schoolyear with this oath, maybe end it, and use it for special occasions like graduations.

I have to agree with thehandsom, it is not suitable for young children.

Thanks for the corrections, thehandsom. I will update my translation.

Weary.... apparantly I can't speak about Turkish nationalism because I come from a country where some idiots hate Muslims