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Thread: Turkish goat's milk

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Deli_kizin
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11 Jun 2006 Sun 11:34 pm

Quoting Loveprague:

Thanks phoena It is not a real problem I can manage without but love a cup of tea, sometimes I drink cow's milk but suffer afterwards so I try to avoid it as much as I can, thanks for your help

I always thought that goat products were quite commonly used in Turkey

Thread: Latest most popular singer in Turkey?

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Deli_kizin
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11 Jun 2006 Sun 11:09 pm

Quoting yasemin_x:

Hande Yener (try the album Apayrı; GÃ¼lşen (album is Yurtta Aşk Cihanda Aşk) and Serdar OrtaÃ§'s new album is number 1 in Turkey at the moment, not sure of the name of it but 2 of the songs in it are En BÃ¼yÃ¼k Aşkım and Tut Ki

Hope this helps you!

Well it did help me, thanks. I knew about those singers and i love them but now i got new material to look for

Thread: letter to my askim. Please help with translation...Thank you.

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Deli_kizin
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11 Jun 2006 Sun 10:15 pm

Quoting yesterday:

why cant u go a bit far in ur thinking?
yes i often use the super cool smile, dont u like?

These are the only lines of your message I will reply on, as the rest was far below my respect. You are the one who should go a bit further in thinking, as all you sticked to was primitive ideas etc. Obviously you can tell your opinion, but in all your message you have reacted so disrespectful it is obvious that you are not interested in discussing subjects in order to enrich yourself or others perspectives. So I see no point in discussing with you.

Thread: What are you listening now?

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Deli_kizin
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11 Jun 2006 Sun 09:31 pm

Quoting oceanmavi:

i am listening to the lovely sound of birds singing outside, they seem very happy today must be the weather!

Here too

Tomorrow I will go to the lake close to my house to sunbathe and swim and read.. ohh holidayfeelings here I come!

Thread: letter to my askim. Please help with translation...Thank you.

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Deli_kizin
6376 posts

11 Jun 2006 Sun 09:24 pm

Wow I've been typing kilometers. I'm obviously a bit bored in my holidays.

Let me quit by saying that i think that putting two extremes against each other all the time and leaving no space for either progress or a different situation, that is primitive. Maybe believe in a man who forbids you to enter chatrooms is naive, but believing that the girl who would listen to that is dull and colorless is naive too. We will see how the lovestory of Asiaprincess will follow. You should just not loose yourself in it, Asiaprincess. If a man takes over all the control in a relationship, 'you' are gone. But what is 'us' in a relaitonship worth, if 'you' no longer exist as an individual?

The weather is way too hot here to worry about these. I just hope it all ends well!

Oh and Aenigma.. I agree with what you said too.. there's a saying in Holland of which I'm sure it's universal:

Wat u niet wil dat u geschiedt, doe dat ook een ander niet
What you don't want to happen to yourself, don't do that to someone else either

Thread: letter to my askim. Please help with translation...Thank you.

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Deli_kizin
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11 Jun 2006 Sun 09:21 pm

Quoting yesterday:

asiaprincess,
right, im cold. think and say whatever on my subject. telling all these not easy words i didnt mean to hurt u, its not my point. anyway,
i wish u, young girls, the best! good luck!
asian-muslim guys are not easy! u never know when it is YES, when it is NO! there are lots of SIGNS, SUGGESTIONS, UNSAID WORDS, GESTURES mixed with unknown local culture. u say u understand ur bf, or u try to understand, but does he understand u? does he try to understand u? or does he consider u as a spoiled blond sweet baby that needs to be under a control? i have no idea on ur love situation. its just pity to read it. do i judge u? on what? its so pity to hear u promise ur bf a thing which is not bad. there will be no justification for the evil behavour just coz of culture, religion or gender.
i will never accept any discrimination.
and dear ladies, why so less of turkish women in the internet, in chat rooms? we see only (as gokhan says horney turks) turkish males. i know only a few turkish girls like mltm(mltm is actually half french). so, whats wrong with turkish women?
well, girls, u have agreed to have jealous men and u love them. all i can say is just i admire ur courage!
not my business, thanks for the discussion!
eot!

It's true that a relationship with eastern (muslim?) men are difficult if you come from a more western country. Your values and habits will be all different and from both sides you should be open-minded and respectful otherwise it;s not gonna work i guess.

By saying 'it is a pity to read it', you already judged the situation. And I think you are wrong in saying that there are barely Turkish girls online because that's not true. Go and search for Sharedtalk.com.. loads of Turkish females. But it's also true that there are many 'horny turkish' men on the net. But isn't that the same for Italian and Spanish guys? Anyway, it doesn't really matter.

Ofcourse there will be no justification for evil found in religion and culture. But it can explain it and maybe then it can be worked out unless it's in too deep.

Kadir is a very modern man, his close family is not religious, his parents are modern and well-educated and his mother hates submissive women. Kadir told me that if i meet them, we will serve tea together (me and Kadir), because his mother will feel weird if I, a girl, would serve it. She would wonder if Kadir tries to control me and whether I'm obeying or not. But still.. I know that if i would wear a short skirt on my way to university in Turkey (this is a different scene than when we're on holiday or on the beach), he would feel very uncomfortable. Because the culture around him says that 'your girl' should not be dressed too naked. He doesn't forbid me to wear them, because he knows my background. But if I know it makes him feel uncomfortable when i wear such clothes, then why would I? I will start with a bit longer skirt and let him get used to the fact I have different ideas about that. But no way I'm gonna let him prescribe what to wear.

Thread: letter to my askim. Please help with translation...Thank you.

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Deli_kizin
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11 Jun 2006 Sun 09:12 pm

Quoting yesterday:

i dont remember well, but were u girls talking about relatives somewhere in turkia talking bad on u? gossiping on u? why? thats how it works in tight family relationships. my aunts would also gossip on me, but i put the end, i cut the relationships, its better to cut than suffer from toxic and ill so called 'wonderful family' realtions.

Yes that happened to miss Ceyda

I quite agree with you, but Ceyda is 16 years old. For her it's pretty impossible to just cut the relationships with the family.

I think mixing with a traditional family if you come from Europe, will be very very difficult. And then indeed the language barrier will come up. But Asiaprincess, I told you before.. try to learn the basics of Turkish and figure out how far this relationship can really get. If it's worth it, go for it.. but if you think you're working harder than what you get back, either learn from falling or learn before you fall. But I think you shouldn't give up before you know for sure, because otherwise you will always have this 'what if' feeling.

Thread: letter to my askim. Please help with translation...Thank you.

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Deli_kizin
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11 Jun 2006 Sun 09:07 pm

Quoting yesterday:

well, christine, there are women who love being under a total control. such women have no their own viewpoints and prefer not to think, since such women actually are not able to think at all. i met this kind of women, and believe me, they are so dull and colorless. they keep silent, do their job about home and wait till their husbands give new instructions. most of these women are religious and i would also add that they are harmless, they just exist!

I advice you to watch on TRT INT the soap 'Hayat TÃ¼rkÃ¼sÃ¼' or read the books of Yaşar Kemal. They have given me a whole different point of view of the Turkish traditional world where women indeed are suppressed and scared. They are not colorless or dull, but they have no space to express themselves. Instead of judging them the way you do, telling that they are slaves to their men.. we can better say that they have become unwillingly slaves to their situation.

You are giving me the feeling that you hate the Islam and that you think that Islam makes men violent on women or suppresses them. I hope you don't feel that way.

And besides, in the first line you say there are women who love to feel that way. Then what are you making a problem of?

Thread: letter to my askim. Please help with translation...Thank you.

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Deli_kizin
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11 Jun 2006 Sun 09:03 pm

Quoting yesterday:

deli kizin, so what that i dont accept ppl's religous background and still meet ppl? do u see any problem here? i probably meet and talk those who are free from their religous culture. slaves have no their own lifes, thus have no their own points, they live within a scheme called a tradition.
i may sound like a powergirl, but u try to sound like a mature woman which sounds false, sweety.

And there you add a super cool smiley?

You said 'thanks for discussion' somehwere. I didn't really see a discussion. All you did was shout for human rights and how women are slaves for men. I'm sorry but.. If I make tea for Kadir and prepare his nargile, am I a slave? You would probably say so, because it fits in the picture of a traditional submissive woman. But if Kadir holds the door for me, or carries me to the sea so that my feet don't get burnt on the sand.. nobody will think of him beign a slave for me, they will all say he's a gentlemen. You try to deny the cultural aspects in this whole discussion. But the reason we actually are able to discuss about such a point is becÃ¡use of this cultural difference.

Thread: letter to my askim. Please help with translation...Thank you.

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Deli_kizin
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11 Jun 2006 Sun 07:14 pm

Quoting yesterday:

yeah, deli kizin, u r right, its ur choice.
i know, what is love for far, since i married a man from far. this was not a good argument.

Actually this comment 'yeah ur right its ur choice' means 'whatever, i dont care what u think'. And asking you if you have a far away love was NOT an argument, i was just wondering where you got these stricts thoughts of primitism from, because i notice them among people who do have a far-away-eastern love and i do not wish to be part of it.

Quoting yesterday:

its all up to u girls!

let me tell u one thing, dear, i give no support to such behavour be it turkish or european! nothing can justify such attitude towards women. i give no f... to the cultural and religous background. i hate those subtleties dictated by the traditions and massive mentalities. maybe too much freedom in holland made u bored and u look for the tough rules?

the stereotypes (on turks) that hang around dutch ppl, u think is on no basic? u think turks r holy and dutch r bad liers?

Secondly, I never said that the fact that jealousy is quite common among turkish men, also Justifies their behavior. And you just used a huge stereotypical view of Holland by telling me there is too much freedom. The freedom in this country is pretty fine if you ask me. And if you really think that I think that Dutch people are bad liars and that Turkish people are holy, think twice please. The stereotypes that Dutch people have are based upon the Turkish people living in Holland. I don't think any proud Turk who lives in TÃ¼rkiye, would be proud of the kind of people that live in Holland. No offense, I wont label everybody, but it is a fact that the feeling of being torn apart between the Turkish traditions and the Dutch free life, is breaking down in many Turkish families. So the stereotypes that are amogn Turks here, are mistaken with the people that live in TÃ¼rkiye itself. And I know each stereotype has its basis and that they are all based upon true facts. But we mustn't forget how things can grow and change into a negative direction we never meant to.

Quoting yesterday:

and, thank u very much for ur welcome!
it says nothing to me if they all know u from this website, and if u stick around here longer than me.

i just come here and say what i think, no matter if im supported by others or not. i dont care.

I meant the welcome to be a warm welcome like we usually say to all new people. I thought you were new and to new people I say welcome. Just like i say 'goodnight' to the ones I know when they go offline.

You don't care if you are supported and you don't care about religious backgrounds either. But on the other hand you say you like to meet people from other cultures? That is impossible if you don't care about backgrounds.

Quoting yesterday:

human rights, freedom!
NO to primitive mentality!

Well I'm glad we do agree at least about that point. But your post seemed to me as a 'girlpower' post, no matter what the arguments were, as long as women don't get suppressed. I was just giving you my point of view and you reacted upon me as if i was stupid. I didn't mean to get to such a discussion.

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