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Thread: Food and noun clauses

121.       Melek74
1506 posts
 06 Sep 2009 Sun 05:58 am

 

Quoting bod

In this lesson:

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish_lesson_68

it says that when a noun describes what a second noun is made of there are no suffixes added to either noun.

e.g  metal kutu - metal box

 

But why do soups have an ý suffix???

e.g. iþkembe corbasý - tripe soup

Why is it not iþkembe çorba as the iþkembe is what the çorba is made from.   Is this an exception that applies to all foods?

 

 

The exception from the usual rule is actually the first instance, not the example with the soup. It might help to think of the first type as nouns of "material" - meaning what material is something made out of?

 

Examples;

altýn yüzük - gold(en) ring

demir kapý - iron gate

plastik torba - plastic bag

silikon protez - silicone implant

kaðýt bardak - paper cup

 

So those are all types of materials.

 

You don´t use that with the soup, because a soup is never made out of one "material", it´s a combination of different ingredients.

 



Edited (9/6/2009) by Melek74 [Spelling]



Thread: to words??? T-E

122.       Melek74
1506 posts
 06 Sep 2009 Sun 03:15 am

 

Quoting stella_star88

anladýn dimi

 

Anladýn, deðil mi?

 

You understand, right?

 

"Anladýn" is literally "you understood" but in Turkish past tense in used sometimes to convey present tense, so here it could be translated both ways.



Thread: Just a little help.

123.       Melek74
1506 posts
 06 Sep 2009 Sun 03:14 am

 

Quoting Starstuck

Thankyou very much, Melek. That´s fabulous!!! I totally get it now Big smile


Although one more thing if anyone can help me out, on the same excersise where it says "Antalya´da ect.) Then then asks questions for you to complete. However, it then sets the words like so...

8.

Türkiye:

9.

Ýngiltere:

10.

Londra:

11.

Antalya:

 

So, why do none of the following contain apostraphies? Once again, that you so much for your kind help Melek. And to anyone else who does Flowers

Not sure why the homework doesn´t contain apostrophes, it should. So maybe that´s something for the Admin to fix? Unsure 

 



Thread: WORLD SOCCER

124.       Melek74
1506 posts
 06 Sep 2009 Sun 03:12 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

Turkia beat Estonia 4-2 in tonight´s World Cup qualification game tonight, despite a lead goal by Estonians at the 6th minute.

 

 

 

Tebrikler! Turkey has a great soccer team. Big smile

 

Poland did ok, 1:1 with Ireland, they slept thru the first half basically. 



Thread: what caught my eye today

125.       Melek74
1506 posts
 06 Sep 2009 Sun 12:51 am

Poland beat Turkey in valleyball 3:0. Dobrowskis rule!!! Thank you, thank you!

 

(Good thing (for Poland) we´re not in the same group in the World Cup qualifiers! Big smile )



Thread: Just a little help.

126.       Melek74
1506 posts
 06 Sep 2009 Sun 12:39 am

 

Quoting Starstuck

I was reading one of the "homework excersises" and i was relieved to find out what (word)´da ment as I had seen it alot and never knew what it ment. However, I noticed something strange with them

in Ankara > Ankara´da
in Izmir > Izmir´de
at school> okulda
on the radio > radyoda

Ok, so why is it that Ankara´da and Izmir´de both have ´ to seperate de/da but okul and radyo don´t?

Is this because Ankara and Izmir are both "in" and the other are "on" and "at" or is there a special rule for this that i should know? Because if there is i´d like to know it before i continue learning!

Thanks guys!
Kay x

 

It is because Izmir and Ankara are both proper nouns (names of places, people, etc.) and when you add a suffix to a proper noun you need to separate it with an apostrophe.



Thread: Another Christian Crime in Iraq: Deformed Babies

127.       Melek74
1506 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 06:17 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 Not readily collated to hand no.  If you would like to forward payment I would be very happy and interested to prepare a thesis on this subject though

 

What is easily accessible to even the most inexperienced of googlers are statistics which show the increase in crimes involving children under 12,together with the medical evidence produced in court cases involving crimes committed by children involving torture/killing of animals/murder which show the children to have psychopathic traits.

 

Whilst I realise my comment about single parents is very un-PC, the fact remains that it is a factor.  Below is an extract from a book that may interest you:-

 

“The circumstances of children involved in child protection processes in Britain are different…from the majority of children.  Although there is a rise (generally) in the number of lone parent families, abused and neglected children are far more likely to be with one parent than the norm.  So whilst 73% of children in the UK live with both parents and 8% in reconstituted families, only 38% of those involved in the children protection process live with both parents” Ryal & Little, 2000

 

From Neglected Children and Their Families by Olive Stevenson

 

Olive Stevenson is Professor Emeritus of Social Work at the University of Nottingham where she holds a continuing contract for supervision of research. She is a pioneering figure in social work and holds honorary degrees from the Universities of East Anglia and Kingston. She is an honorary Professor at the Hong Kong Poly- university and at Kingston University. She was awarded the CBE in 1994. She has chaired five Area Child Protection Committees and currently acts as consultant to individuals and voluntary organisations and adviser to projects in the field of child protection and fostering.

 

 

Thanks for the book recommendation, it might be something worthwhile to research further. Flowers

 

Personally I haven´t heard of any correlation between the structure of the family (single vs. married parents) and the abuse of children (most statistics I am familiar with point to alcohol/drug abuse, parents being abused themselves in the childhood, education level, poverty, etc.), however, as shocking as it is, I don´t know everything and it might be something I need to read more about. Big smile



Thread: Another Christian Crime in Iraq: Deformed Babies

128.       Melek74
1506 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 06:09 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Melek, we are talking about the general aspects of society. There is no society on Earth where problems about choice have been completely solved. There is a certain interaction between coercion and people. Demands evolve within society and they are answered by way of laws, regulations and a new order is established by  the gradual  change of  mentality. If one individual is not aware of or does not have a need for a certain freedom which is considered necessary elsewhere, this would not be the problem of the system or the regime.

 

Just look at the world outside by remembering the conditions majority of people are in. If you want a feminist movement in Saudi Arabia which even in my book is nowhere near a true democracy, you should be able to create demand for sexual equality among Saudi women majority of whom essentially believe in the necessity of a male run society.  In Iran and Afghanistan too, women are oppressed by militia. Nevertheless, these are not democracies. Turkey is a democracy. There are laws like the Civil Code which was modeled around the Swiss Civil Code and the Penal Code that follows the outlines of the French one. Though not comperable to aforementioned countries, no gender discrimination is allowed in this country. A sizeable portion of society however are subjected to rules other than those decided by the Parliament. My Kurdish friends tell me, their family council would gather and decide on a honor killing should even a wire of his sister´s or mother´s hair is seen  by a stranger or should there be a rumour about her whether true or not. There are also feuds continuing for years. There is no way that such primitive traditions can be tolerated. I have written about those earlier. Nonetheless, it is not possible to correct them overnight by passing a certain law or by enforcing it. You need to play with the internal dynamics of that community and gain their consent. Since consent is always the keyword in all these matters.

 

 

 

 

 

Vineyards, I´m responding to your post where you are stating that we have to respect other cultures. This is what I am disagreeing with to an extent. Yes, we have to respect people´s choices, but we don´t have to respect all of them.

 

I´ll give you one more example to illustrate one more time what I mean and then I have to change the oil in my car lol.

 

Burqas - to me it´s a symbol of opression of subjegation of women. It might very well be that my perception of this is driven by my growing up in the West and influenced by Western values. I can however respect an individual´s choice to dress how they want to. If women feel strongly about being clad in burqas then it´s their choice and I can respect the choice itself. However for many women it is not a choice. It is a practice that is culturally sanctioned and forced on women and if they don´t comply the consequences may be gruesome. That aspect I don´t have to respect and I do not respect as a matter of fact. I´m not going to pretend I respect something when I feel its intrinsincly abusive and discriminatory. Im not giong to just say: "We are all humans, it is just that some of us are more fortunate than the others at this stage in human history." Oh well, right? What should I care if some women in a remote part of the world are forced to hide behind a sheet? It´s not me who has to do that, so I should just respect that because it´s their culture? Right? Well, this is what I don´t agree with - as a woman and as a human being. Same in the West, I can respect one´s right to have religious beliefs (for example Christians) but if those beliefs are causing suffering and discrimination (for example againt gay people) then I don´t have to respect that, do I?

 

I guess I´ll have to agree to disagree with you. I respect your right to a different opinion, but I don´t have to agree with it. Big smile



Edited (9/5/2009) by Melek74



Thread: Another Christian Crime in Iraq: Deformed Babies

129.       Melek74
1506 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 05:33 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

I would like you to focus on the word "consent" and also the way society is described as common work of people. This is the basis of all modern-day nations. 

Sorry, all too often the consent means only the consent of the male part of the populatin or the consent of majority (ethnic, religious, etc.) All to many times people don´t have a choice as to which culture they were born into and have to live in and don´t have the power to change their situation.



Edited (9/5/2009) by Melek74



Thread: Another Christian Crime in Iraq: Deformed Babies

130.       Melek74
1506 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 05:26 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 Vineyards has a good point - all your points above prove is that there is cruelty and inhumanity in life.  I can think of some stomach churning examples of child abuse, neglect, torture, murder, cruelty in the west which are a direct result of our "culture".  I presume you also have a moral obligation to speak out about this abuse too?  Like it or not, the break down of the traditional "family" in western society is producing feral, psychopathic children.

 

Of course there´s examples of crualty and inhumanity in life everywhere (and yes we should speak against those abuses too), the difference lies in whether they are culturally sanctioned. As an example I don´t know of anybody who thinks that domestic violence is ok in the States, even though it does happen all too often. A woman has resources to turn to if that doesn´t happen (police, shelters, domestic violence hotlines, etc). The law is on her side. Anybody who hears about it will condemn the abuser - it is the abuser that is seen as one having a problem. Not the case in many countries where it´s the husbands "right" to hit the wife (or even kill her) and even the wife´s family ´wouldn´t intervene, not to mention the law. In the States the law steps in when the "culture" becomes abusive - recent case of the family who refused medical treatment for the child with cancer is a good example - the parents don´t have the right to have their beliefs respected when those beliefs are harmful, no matter how well intentioned they are. (Disclaimer: I´m not saying US should be the model for other countries to follow, I´m just using as a familiar example it to illustrate the point).

 

And of course Vineyards has a good point, all I´m saying is that his good point is not absolute, and there´s a point where respect for some cultural practices should end.

 

Do you have any statistics or studies to back up your claim about feral, psychopatic children?



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