Welcome
Login:   Pass:     Register - Forgot Password - Resend Activation

Forum Messages Posted by Melek74

(1506 Messages in 151 pages - View all)
<<  ... 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 [15] 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 ...  >>


Thread: Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?

141.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 11:42 pm

 

Quoting armegon

By the way is there a country called Kurdistan established that we dont know? As some members here comparing it to Turkey & Poland. History repeats itself and i advice you to research how many Kurdish riots uprised during war of independence and the following years instead of trying to give history lessons here and who were behind those riots.

 

You know, you´re right. I didn´t even think about it. I was comparing the situation to the situation of immigrants, but I didn´t even think of Poland´s history of fight for their independence when they were divided between neighbouring countries and wiped from the map for almost 150 years. The Poles too had to fight for the independence in several uprisings (which I´m sure the government considered as terrorist) and they had to preserve the language, which the Russians, Prussians and Austrians wanted to eradicate via the process of germanization or russification. Good thing they didn´t succeed or I would have to speak German now, which is not the sexiest of languages (in my opinion). History does repeat itself, sometimes in a different part of the world.



Thread: Stereotypical people

142.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 10:52 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 As I said, I read in MLK´s biography that he used this term and that it had been around in the 1950s but became popular after Jesse Jackson´s speech much later.

 

The fact, whatever your friends wish to be personally called, is that African American and Black American are the US Government´s official terms of anyone of African origin or ancestry

 

I think you are just nit picking because you found that you are wrong

 

I´m not denying the use of the term. Like I said: "Whereas some use and prefer that term, others don´t care or are openly against it." The point being it is not natural for every black person to want to be called African American, as your post suggests. 

And I think my "friends" as you call it, have a better idea what they, as black people living in the USA would like to be called then you would.



Thread: Stereotypical people

143.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 10:40 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 Excuse me?  I can´t see your point   The only thing I see is that your definition was wrong

 

Where have I mixed up Jesse Jackson with MLK?

 

You said you were going by MLK´s definition, and the part I quoted shows that the term wasn´t even in circulation until 1980s, which is over a decade after his death. The bolding part got a bit mixed up and it´s too late for me to edit it since you quoted my post.

 

My post was based on feedback received from actual "African Americans" not from an article. Whereas most can prefer that term, don´t assume it´s "naturally" something that they would do, as many do not.



Thread: Stereotypical people

144.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 10:23 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 My apologies - I should have realised that YOU were a better specialist on this subject - I was foolish enough to believe Martin Luther King´s definition

 

Further:  Just checked wikipedia, and think you should do the same (after all you are living in the US).  The term had been circulating since the 1950s and became prominent after a speach by the Rev. Jesse Jackson.   However, obviously YOU know better

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

 

 

 Maybe you should read what you link:

 

The term African American carries important political overtones. Earlier terms used to identify Americans of African ancestry were conferred upon the group by colonists and Americans of European ancestry. The terms were included in the wording of various laws and legal decisions which some thought were being used as tools of white supremacy and oppression.[112] There developed among blacks in America a growing desire for a term of self-identification of their own choosing.

With the political consciousness that emerged from the political and social ferment of the late 1960s and early 1970s, blacks no longer approved of the term Negro. They believed it had suggestions of a moderate, accommodationist, even "Uncle Tom" connotation. In this period, a growing number of blacks in the United States, particularly African-American youth, celebrated their blackness and their historical and cultural ties with the African continent. The Black Power movement defiantly embraced Black as a group identifier. It was a term social leaders themselves had repudiated only two decades earlier, but they proclaimed, "Black is beautiful".

In this same period, a smaller number of people favored Afro-American. In the 1980s the term African American was advanced on the model of, for example, German American or Irish American to give descendents of American slaves and other American blacks who lived through the slavery-era a heritage and a cultural base.[112] The term was popularized in black communities around the country via word of mouth and ultimately received mainstream use after Jesse Jackson publically used the term in front of a national audience, subsequently major media outlets adopted its use. Many blacks in America expressed a preference for the term, as it was formed in the same way as names for others of the many ethnic groups in the nation. Some argued further that, because of the historical circumstances surrounding the capture, enslavement and systematic attempts to de-Africanize blacks in the United States under chattel slavery, most African Americans are unable to trace their ancestry to a specific African nation; hence, the entire continent serves as a geographic marker.

For many, African American is more than a name expressive of cultural and historical roots. The term expresses pride in Africa and a sense of kinship and solidarity with others of the African diaspora—an embrace

 

This is from the same link you gave.

 

At least I can distinguish MLK from Jesse Jackson.



Thread: Stereotypical people

145.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 10:09 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 Correction!  You are wrong Teas - anyone with African ancestry is called African-American. This is because, unlike those of other nationalities born into the US, the original Africans were brought to the US against their will as slaves and, naturally, prefer to remember their origin.

 

Actually that´s not correct either, I have personally heard some black people object to the term of African-American based on the very fact that they personally have nothing to do with Africa (they weren´t born there, they have never even visited, etc). Whereas some use and prefer that term, others don´t care or are openly against it. So don´t assume you know what American blacks prefer if you want to become a spokesperson for them.



Thread: what caught my eye today

146.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 09:21 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

We knew it all along that these pathetic and sick so-called-beauty standards are only harmful and making us sick, but guess who came up with them in the first place... (hint: not women!) You crazy? 

 

Well, clothes look best on clothes hangers, so no wonder models resemble them lol.

I´m really happy to hear that my thunder thighs turned out to be good for something lol.

 

 



Thread: Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?

147.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 08:37 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

how about the barbaric kurdish terror against the Turks? You don`t want to see that because the kurds did your dirty jobs in your muslim genocide in Iraq, right? you want to see the pictures of the babies and civilians killed by your beloved kurdish terrorists?

 

The only ´Muslim genocide" in Iraq is that commited by Iraq against Kurds in the al-Anfal campaign. Do you want to see pictures of the babies and civilians killed by your beloved Iraqi Muslims?



Edited (9/4/2009) by Melek74
Edited (9/4/2009) by Melek74



Thread: Stereotypical people

148.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 08:29 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 

 

 Correction:  Unless you have actually lived in Africa...then you are considered African American.  If you have lived in Mexico you are Mexican-American.  If you were born in America..you are just plain American.

 

If we were using the above logic raindrop...everyone in America would be European American accept for blacks & mexicans.

 

Is that really the case? I always thought that African-American was the PC term for all blacks. Unsure



Thread: Another Christian Crime in Iraq: Deformed Babies

149.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 05:18 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

Tami, I just want to point out how lucky you are to be able to critisize the west so easily.  I am sure if you where going to school in a country like, say, Iran (or Turkey) and you wanted to critisize their government(s), you would probably be in jail by now for insulting Iranianness (or Turkishness)......or whatever crime they see fit.  I applaud your use of your constitutionally protected right to report the news as YOU see fit.  Hope you enjoy it while you can.....because when you go back to Turkey, you will not be able to critisize your government so freely....however, you will still be free to critisize mine. 

 

I have also noticed that most of the sources you use are western news sources....something else that many eastern news outlets are not able to do....report the truth.  I accept that we are not perfect here in the US....but you must admit we are a decent enough place for you to come and live for a few years and get a good education.  Perhaps if you would, once in a while, report something good about us, I would take your critrical opinions a bit more seriously. 

+100000000000000

 

I might add that there´s a difference between healthy, constructive criticism (which should always be welcome) and spreading prejudice-based propaganda.



Thread: Another Christian Crime in Iraq: Deformed Babies

150.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 03:19 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

This is nothing new, even after the Gulf War in 1991 the consequences of modern warefare have started to show their tragic and ugly head, due to the US using depleted uranium shells. It is indeed tragic and shameful.

 

I wonder if you see yourself as some kind of a whistle blower on "evil, bigoted, fascist, Christian West"? Maybe you could use something else than almost 18 year old news?



Edited (9/4/2009) by Melek74
Edited (9/4/2009) by Melek74 [Changed 20 to 18 not to be accused of Christian media manipulating mathematics]



(1506 Messages in 151 pages - View all)
<<  ... 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 [15] 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 ...  >>



Turkish Dictionary
Turkish Chat
Open mini chat
New in Forums
Crossword Vocabulary Puzzles for Turkish L...
qdemir: You can view and solve several of the puzzles online at ...
Giriyor vs Geliyor.
lrnlang: Thank you for the ...
Local Ladies Ready to Play in Your City
nifrtity: ... - Discover Women Seeking No-Strings Attached Encounters in Your Ci...
Geçmekte vs. geçiyor?
Hoppi: ... and ... has almost the same meaning. They are both mean "i...
Intermediate (B1) to upper-intermediate (B...
qdemir: View at ...
Why yer gördüm but yeri geziyorum
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, makes perfect sense!
Random Pictures of Turkey
Most liked