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Thread: What are you listening now?

6671.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Jan 2008 Fri 11:27 am

BARIŞ MANÇO- **SÜLEYMAN**lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwwFCSDXeYs



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6672.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Jan 2008 Fri 12:04 am

Quoting Waseem_UK:

Quoting thehandsom:



I already told why hijab should not be worn in public buildings in my earlier posts..And I stick to what I wrote.
"not wearing hijab is sinful" issue:
If it is not sinful, why are they wearing it then?
Do you want me to dig the cases from the net what they do to the girls wearing mini skirts in deeply religious areas?
or how they treat people who eat during ramadan?



So is banning hijab the solution or education?


haha
I have different ideas for the solution
But I am not intending to reveal it



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6673.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 11:45 pm

Quoting GatewaytoTR:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting GatewaytoTR:


And you think it is a sin to wear hijab in public places
So, what is the difference?


I never said that But can you say 'not wearing hijab is NOT SINFUL'?



You believe that there should be a certain code of dressing in public spaces and that is why a girl with head scarf can not work in a public building. And I believe that you can not set the limits for dressing because people belong to different cultures and religious beliefs. I emphasize the respect for diversity. So how can I say "not wearing hijab is sinful"?


I already told why hijab should not be worn in public buildings in my earlier posts..And I stick to what I wrote.
"not wearing hijab is sinful" issue:
If it is not sinful NOT TO WEAR HIJAB, why are they wearing it then?
Do you want me to dig the cases from the net what they do to the girls wearing mini skirts in deeply religious areas?
or how they treat people who eat during ramadan?



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6674.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 11:07 pm

Quoting GatewaytoTR:


And you think it is a sin to wear hijab in public places
So, what is the difference?


I never said that But can you say 'not wearing hijab is NOT SINFUL'?



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6675.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 10:41 pm

Quoting zettea:


I feel for jobs or schools that requires the person to wear a government UNIFORM specifically for the job then they have to make do without the Hijab..


Well they think it is a sin not wearing hijab in public.

Quoting zettea:


And i dont understand why rules like no headscarf is also imposed on other family members of Military personnels.. his family members are not on the job let them wear what they want!


I dont get it either.

Quoting zettea:


well then send women to 15months military service too! lol then everybody is equal regardless of sex too.
Government should give rights to people, Government should be fair.


agreed

Quoting thehandsom:


I dont understand pressure from society.. peer pressure to wear the headscarf? lol i thought kids have peer pressure to smoke, to skip school, to join gangs.... since when headscarf is a bad thing.. :S omg!


Because they think not wearing turban is sinful and they think the girls not wearing is a sinful person. Can you live in an environment most of them think you are sinful and feel nothing? it is pressure...is it not?

Quoting thehandsom:


Those questions are what we have to ask ourselves? Seek knowledge to know what is right.. If u believe in a religion that u seek what is right in the Holy Book, bible, Quran, Mahabarata etc... and if u believe in God..God will make u see. Use the intelligence God give us to judge on our own. We have Free will.


You believe in God with your heart not with your intelligence. Even the most sophisticated islamists will accept that!!



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6676.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 10:30 pm

Quoting zbrct:

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

Hmmmmm.

In London, a lot of muslim parents send their daughters to all-girls schools run by the Catholic church or the Church of England, because the schools have a good academic record, and also because there are no boys. e.g. the Virgo Fidelis school 2 minutes from my mum's home has a lot of Pakistani students, and St. Martin-in-the-Fields (my old school) has a lot of Nigerian students.
In actual fact, when I was there one girl in my class was Turkish, and another was Egyptian.

Does this mean muslims in London are more tolerant than secular Turks in Turkey? Ouch.

I am a Christian, and have had some wonderful teachers who are Jews, Buddhists, total atheists, and yes of course Muslim. My first primary school teacher was Mrs Mirza from Pakistan. She wore shalvar-kamiz and a head covering. I remember Mrs Sheikh (married to an Arab), and Mr Helowitz (Polish Jew), and Miss Meliniotis (Greek Orthodox) as well as "religion is the opium of the people" being one of the favourite phrases of Mrs Marsden. I didn't see any difference between them and Miss Martin who was a deacon in the anglican church, or Mrs Drey who was married to a Baptist minister. None of them treated me any differently, or gave me better or worse marks because of religion. The only thing that mattered to me was whether they were good or bad teachers.
A multi-cultural education is really nothing to be scared of, it adds breadth and depth to your life-experience, and to your personality I think.



The difference is in many developped western countries DIVERSITY is stressed. However in Turkey differences are ignored and unity is emphasized. That is you can see Kurds wanting freedoom for themselves but they are against the religious freedoom or vice versa.


Nobody is against Religious freedom..

But, however, religious freedom can never ever be considered as Sheria.
That is the mistake which is done by the islamists in Turkey.
Sheria can never be religious freedom for everybody.



Thread: Dangerous Dogs in Turkey

6677.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 04:40 pm

Quoting Cacık:

Hi Roswitha - thanks a lovely dog there on your youtube link !
My husband says if we ever are lucky enough to own a big garden, we will have a Kangal. But did you know that, apparantly, they do fall in love with their owners and will often become very sick if left with other people while the owner goes away on holiday. That is why they say that should you decide to get a Kangal, you should rear it from a puppy with the friend or neighbour regularly taking turns to feed it, so when the owner does go away on holiday, the Kangal will accept food from the other person it knows.


Vow..
I used to have two kangals (I named them surgun-male- and gypsy) in the past..They are lovely and beautiful dogs. That is true, they are so attached to their owners. And they are enourmous too..
Unfortunately they both died tragically.. The day they died, I went to a field (so nobody could see me ) and I cried for them.



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6678.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 04:03 pm

Quoting MrX67:

thats such an easy to blame others to be with somethings about their preferences and thats such a big mistake to see theirself once owner of all system??


Well..
The system I am trying to defend here is democracy..And it should owned by everybody.
But I cant say the same thing for Sheria.
Sheria is not democratic AT ALL.
Dont you agree?



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6679.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:55 pm

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

Hmmmmm.

In London, a lot of muslim parents send their daughters to all-girls schools run by the Catholic church or the Church of England, because the schools have a good academic record, and also because there are no boys. e.g. the Virgo Fidelis school 2 minutes from my mum's home has a lot of Pakistani students, and St. Martin-in-the-Fields (my old school) has a lot of Nigerian students.
In actual fact, when I was there one girl in my class was Turkish, and another was Egyptian.

Does this mean muslims in London are more tolerant than secular Turks in Turkey? Ouch.

I am a Christian, and have had some wonderful teachers who are Jews, Buddhists, total atheists, and yes of course Muslim. My first primary school teacher was Mrs Mirza from Pakistan. She wore shalvar-kamiz and a head covering. I remember Mrs Sheikh (married to an Arab), and Mr Helowitz (Polish Jew), and Miss Meliniotis (Greek Orthodox) as well as "religion is the opium of the people" being one of the favourite phrases of Mrs Marsden. I didn't see any difference between them and Miss Martin who was a deacon in the anglican church, or Mrs Drey who was married to a Baptist minister. None of them treated me any differently, or gave me better or worse marks because of religion. The only thing that mattered to me was whether they were good or bad teachers.
A multi-cultural education is really nothing to be scared of, it adds breadth and depth to your life-experience, and to your personality I think.


I totaly agree with what you are saying Marion..
BUT
Do you really think a teacher in Turkey wearing a turban will say "religion is the opium of the people"? Or even allow her pupils to talk about Darwin? Or talk about other religions?
I dont know every single school in the UK of course, but when they study 'religions' as a subject here, one week they study islam, next week they study hinduism, christianity etc. can you see anything like that in Turkish schools? They teach how to pray namaz straight away!!
I have had some jews friends an Uni..One of them was saying that he was so scared to say that he was a jew for example.

I sincerely believe that turban problem in Turkey is nothing to do with freedom..It is something to do with the desire to convert the society into Sheria. And it is not me being paranoid..
And I am totaly against the Sheria!!



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6680.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 02:51 pm

Quoting Waseem_UK:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Waseem_UK:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting zbrct:



Really...? So what about those Turkish citizen girls who want to study and work with their head scarfs?

Oh ok, I understand now. We want freedoom just for ourselves...But that is not sincere...


Well..I already told above that turban ban in universities should be removed. And about the work. what about the private sector? I already told that the STATE should have equal distance to all its citizens. It is the reason any statement relating to religionS should not not be allowed..
I would not want a monk in orange dress as a teacher for example..
would you?



As long as the monk in orange dress is qualified to teach the subject, I don't mind. I don't look at the appearance of my teachers, only the ability and quality.


Well.. Most of the muslim parents wont like a teacher wearing priest costume and a huge cross neckles..
wont you mind yourself for example?


Do I need to repeat myself?


Well you dont need to.. If you really do not have issues with that well done!! But many many muslim families will object..I will Object too



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