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Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6691.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 02:48 am

Quoting zbrct:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting zbrct:


I agree with you head scarf and ESPECIALLY speaking Kurdish in public spaces should not be allowed. Who cares freedoom of speech. State can determine what is good for people.

Yes, in European countries women with head scarf are allowed to work even in public places but they are Europeans, freedoom is a part of their civilization.
We belong to another civilization that is why any sign of religion and ethnicity should be banned by the Turkish state.

How happy to say I am a TURK and how happy to say I am a SECULAR.


Well... I never said anything about the kurds or kurdish..did I?
I am not talking about STATE what to decide about its people..
I am saying that it is STATE'S DUTY TO BE EQUAL TO ALL ITS CITIZENS.
I would not want to deal with a man wearing a priest costume when i want to pay my council tax..
Is that not simple?



I agree with you and I do not want to see a state official speaking Kurdish...


Well..
I want to see a Turkey, which its citizens are not afraid of speaking their language or say what their origins are..



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6692.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 02:40 am

Quoting zbrct:


I agree with you head scarf and ESPECIALLY speaking Kurdish in public spaces should not be allowed. Who cares freedoom of speech. State can determine what is good for people.

Yes, in European countries women with head scarf are allowed to work even in public places but they are Europeans, freedoom is a part of their civilization.
We belong to another civilization that is why any sign of religion and ethnicity should be banned by the Turkish state.

How happy to say I am a TURK and how happy to say I am a SECULAR.


Well... I never said anything about the kurds or kurdish..did I?
I am not talking about STATE what to decide about its people..
I am saying that it is STATE'S DUTY TO BE EQUAL TO ALL ITS CITIZENS.
I would not want to deal with a man wearing a priest costume when i want to pay my council tax..
Is that not simple?



Thread: turkish guys!

6693.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 02:30 am

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting catheine!!!!!!!:

i know! i seriously have never felt this way about a guy before!!! i just totally do not understand what SuiGeneris means....??!!!


you will understand it along the way..we will keep you girls posted


lol lol lol



Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

6694.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jan 2008 Thu 02:12 am

I think, first of all my opinion about the ban:
The ban must stay for the personel working for the goverment departments. Teachers, doctors, clerks etc whoever gives the governements services CAN NOT WEAR anything symbolizes a religion.
Because, simply, governments must treat everybody equal regardless their religion (muslims, christians, jews etc). it is governments duty to put equal distance to everybody. So because a democratic, secular government cant have a religion, the turban ban should remain as it is. If you allow it, the very basic idea of 'government has the same distance to everybody' will have a shadow.
Basically governments cant have a religion. Coming to power by elections and thinking that 'oh we have the power then we can change it' is fundemantally WRONG. (with the same principles, religion sections in ID cards should be removed immediatly.)

About the universities:
My personal idea will be removing the ban from universities..However, at high school and in primary education, the ban even should not be discussed. Because at that age, they should be protected from the pressures coming from the society. They are vulnerable.

Now then about turban itself:

we all know that there are millions of milions of muslims they think that wearing turban is not necessary and turban problem is nothing to do with freedom. They are simply not covering themselves. We all know that the way they practice islam in libya, saudi arabia and turkey is very very different. so where is the line?.who is right? what is the answer?

Then what about the religious communities which are spending everything they have, on bringing sheria (which they are quite powerful at the moment in Turkey. One of them is Fettullah Gulen for example, which owns Zaman!!!) ? What about the pressure they are imposing everywhere? think of a girl wearing a mini skirt in a place where majority is wearing head scarf? (ie Fatif in Istanbul) how long do you think that girl can wear that skirt? or simple how long will she last without putting a headscarf herself? or what do you think the majority will think about that girl? well we all know what they think..dont we? where is that girls rights then? everything is legal from outside. no forcing..BUT THAT IS PRESSURE!!
(we can find thousands of examples about this type of pressure.) And of course you can go back to universities about this ban as well: what about as a parent if you think your daughter will be seen as less muslim, not honourable, non muslim or not muslim ENOUGH? It will be denying rights..wont it?

Secularism (if it could be imposed properly) is a very important at this moment because a secular country's government must protect its citizens from religious communities' pressure.. Because it is STATE'S BASIC DUTY. (State should provide the environment for its citizens to practice their religions freely WITHOUT any pressure from anywhere)

When you look at the posts above, the common idea is that muslims are not living freely or practising their religions in Turkey because of turban ban. That is not right.

I believe that turban is a symbol as far as Turkey is concerned..It is a statement.
My mother hides her hair because she is a muslim. Old school woman..
In any of the government departments she was never ever returned back because she is wearing a head scarf. She has never ever been denied anything in any of the hospitals. She has never ever been mistreated. I have never ever heard of any of women i know, complaining about those things.



Thread: Where is femme_fatal?

6695.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jan 2008 Wed 11:56 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting libralady:

Quoting thehandsom:

Well..
Whatever you say..We WANT THEM BACK...



What all two of you?


I am sure more than two..



Ok three then! lol So where are all the other "we want you back" posts?

I find it rather a nice break, bit like getting out of the midday sun into the shade


I am sure more than 3..



Thread: Where is femme_fatal?

6696.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jan 2008 Wed 11:24 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting thehandsom:

Well..
Whatever you say..We WANT THEM BACK...



What all two of you?


I am sure more than two..



Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

6697.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jan 2008 Wed 07:08 pm

Quoting KeithL:

sure I will be old....but I will be amca...not moruk...


I am sorry to butt in, but what is this?

I wish you know a bit more of Turkish Culture than the Turkish language.

This is RUDE man!!



Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

6698.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jan 2008 Wed 05:27 pm

Quoting portokal:

hunting might not have been going very good today?
it happens....
and vegetarian dishes are good for health.


ve ve
There might be hunting ban on certain species!!



Thread: What are you listening now?

6699.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jan 2008 Wed 05:04 pm

Timur selcuk -ispanyol meyhanesi



Thread: T to E please

6700.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jan 2008 Wed 02:21 pm

Sui, sorry..I did not know you were doing it too..



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