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10.       bambino
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 01 Apr 2005 Fri 09:49 am

well, since you don't want to say what you think, here's what I think put in nice words:

'We are afraid of death when we are afraid of life.
When our life is not fulfilled, it's difficult to
accept death. We are afraid of the death of our
feelings of being distinct and exceptional.
Attentive, brave and fully engaged life, in which
we're dying in every moment, sets us free from the
fear of death, gives us freedom.
Everyday to be ready to die is the same as knowing
that we don't waste life, we don't neglect anything
and don't hurt anyone.
'Let's hurry up to love people, they leave so
quickly..' - it's a call to discipline and effort to
manage to open our hearts in this life.
The more attentively we live, the more our egocentrism
and a feeling of being different disappears. When we
completely engage ourselves in something, when we are
maximally concentrated and present, when we forget
ourselves, then we have a chance do experience such a
realm of existence, which goes beyond all distinctions
- also the one between life and death. '

11.       guzel kiz
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 01 Apr 2005 Fri 10:11 am

Bambino, well said!

12.       Xesc
64 posts
 01 Apr 2005 Fri 02:04 pm

Yes, well said bambino. This matter is bitter, but, although we don't like it, and we often live as it wouldn't happen never, Death is the only think sure in life. We don't know why we are here, neither live is real or a dream (another interesting matter), nor what will be our future, but, if something is sure, is it. I think that we have fear because we don't know what happens. Always, The unknown thinks had caused fear in mankind.

Actually, we live, (i think) as it won't happen, but, it depends on the society. Some rural societies i.e. had another point of view. Five years ago I went to Galicia, a very beautyful region on northern Spain, very rural, and there, people i met thought about Death and this dark "world" as a reality with continous connections with dayly life. I don't mean that there all people think in this way, but i know some examples of this way of thinking which seemed to me that we have lost.

With regard to this, i have a linguistic doubt. In my dictionary i have searchd the world rahmet (God's mercy), and it says that rahmetli (and merhum) mean deceased, but specifies: "a muslim", and the same for "Allah raymet eylesin"; but, in other vocabularies i haven't found this explanation.

It means that i can't use them for non-muslims, or only that it's a muslim expression, and shuld be used preferably in a Muslim context?. In what way are they used in Turkey?

Tesekkür

13.       Xesc
64 posts
 01 Apr 2005 Fri 02:06 pm

raymet=rahmet sorry

14.       duskahvesi
858 posts
 01 Apr 2005 Fri 05:04 pm

well,
nowadays i think lots of time death..
sometimes i have to face with people's bad feature.and i think that why people kill someone or hurt etc..
after living what we are going to be?

i havent believed that we will live and sleep.. after dying we will be confuse with earth..

what about our soul? it must be something in other world..

maybe muslim people heart that "death and later" written by "imam-ı gazali" [ölüm ve sonrası]...

i read it. i think we have to have an aim while living in this world.. God tests us in this world and in the other world we have to suffer or take rewards.. i believe again it depends on our behaviour ... more respect, more pray, more depends on God, more religional life..

i am afraid of death as well but i have to face it.. one day i will day or tonight or 10 minutes kater.. When? Do u know it? everybodycan't know their dying time..

if i am alive today i am in dept to thanx against God.

If i dont have any aim this world why i should live?

Cennet, cehennem, ölmek, ölümden sonra sorguya çekilmek, bu dünyadaki yaptıklarımızı iyi anaiz edememek ve dibine kadar günaha batmamak, kendi hareket ve davranışlarımıza dikkat etmemiz ve O'na iman etmemiz için gönderildik bu dünyaya..

But they r or me.. i dont know the peoples opinion..


15.       bambino
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 01 Apr 2005 Fri 05:30 pm

It looks like what you're saying is that you see injustice around and it's so heartbraking that it makes us believe that there must be life after death. I think that this is only a consequence of more essential facts.
No matter if you belive in God, your life on earth should have a meaning and should be directed at finding out what life really means. If you feel like you don't have aim in your life, just stop for a moment, look around and notice what a beautiful world we live in. Not a perfect world, but a beautiful one, which needs good people to make it a better place for many! I guarantee you that once you do it, you will never feel aimless again. I see that many people's lifes are directed at finding out a good formula for comfortable life instead. That is very sad.
If you believe in God, I don't think that you should be afraid of Him, and look at life after death as either reward or punishment. Such belief makes us slaves here and that's not the goal, the goal is to be happy, fulfilled, real. If there is God, He knows better then that. You should look at Him as your creator, someone, who loves you and wants you to be happy, not someone who is 'checking you'. He doesn't have to check you, He knows you. One good deed coming from your heart is worth more then many prayers. Try it, you'll see what I mean.

16.       duskahvesi
858 posts
 01 Apr 2005 Fri 05:36 pm

i understand u but why we are here?
if we come here just eating, enjoy our time, etc.. why we are created?

17.       bambino
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 01 Apr 2005 Fri 05:43 pm

Good! You figured out that eating and plainly enjoying things in life is not the goal. So let me ask you a question. If there is someone you really love, what do you want from that person? and why do you think people want to have children?

18.       duskahvesi
858 posts
 01 Apr 2005 Fri 05:46 pm

hi bambino.. i dont know your real name.. sorry..
a subject about death u r getting it personel ..
just say your opinion..
and dont judge anybodt boz of their opinion..

19.       bambino
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 01 Apr 2005 Fri 06:08 pm

Sorry, I can't just tell you. I'm not being personal or judgmental. Don't take it like that. Anyway, the answer to your question is in my previous message.

20.       Seticio
550 posts
 02 Apr 2005 Sat 01:11 pm

'Let's hurry up to love people, they leave so
quickly..' Bambino, where did u take it from? Do u know that is a translated verse of polish poet's poem? His name is Twardowski and he's a priest.
In original it follows like this "Spieszmy sie kochac ludzi, tak szybko odchodza"

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