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I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 11:35 am |
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 12:36 pm |
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Quoting nautilis: Quoting Trudy: A month ago the same thing has happened in the Netherlands with karate. The 14 year old Seyma Kucukbekmez was not allowed to enter national contests by the Karate league because she refused to take of her headscarf. The refusal was based on two arguments: safety first (I can imagine that with a sport like this) and neutrality - everyone should look the same while contesting, the League argued. |
i think one can make up reasons for every sport: how do they explain why it is unsafe to have headscarf? |
The loose ends? The pulling at eachother with karate? Just some ideas...
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 12:43 pm |
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sorry posted twice (again)!!
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 12:43 pm |
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It does make me curious now about other school/sporting activies. For example swimming? Is this allowed? And...presumably if the child has to cover her head, she also cannot wear shorts or proper sports clothes? It is a real burden to a child/teenager surely?
I don't want to offend anyone, but it seems to me that the title of this thread would more apply to those who are forced to wear a headscarf while doing such things and made to feel different 
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 01:52 pm |
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sorry aenigma x you miss the point of the article Quote: It does make me curious now about other school/sporting activies. For example swimming? Is this allowed? And...presumably if the child has to cover her head, she also cannot wear shorts or proper sports clothes? It is a real burden to a child/teenager surely?
I don't want to offend anyone, but it seems to me that the title of this thread would more apply to those who are forced to wear a headscarf while doing such things and made to feel different
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By the way just writing the words I don't want to offend anyone but........ is offensive most times.....Go to a schoolyard and watch children play they don't care what you wear they just want to play. It is after we have listen to adult views for many years that we develope racism and predjudice. However this was not what the news article was about. When I find an article with headlines saying child in Canada forced to wear headscarf while playing soccer, I promise I will post it for you. Secondly this was not a debate on forcing a child to wear a headscarf we don't know this was the case at all. If you want to do a profile and debate on a topic regarding the above issue you mentioned start another thread.
Now back to the this article...........
A headscarf did not show to be a problem in anyway for this girl to play for the past few years on teams. As a matter of fact there are many different sports that one can wear a headscarf with that will not interfer with performance or safety. Soccer is a not contact sport or should not be at this level. My issues is that no other 11 year old girl muslim or non muslim would view this girl who is wearing her hijab a problem . I have seen girls on softball teams also wear one. My issue is that on a silly adult level they have decided to make this decision and turn an issue which in theory is harmless into a problem. Most likely this will probaly stop other muslim girls who wear hijabs here in Canada from playing this sport. In the long run young muslim girls will feel shunned, isolated and different and most likely will slowly develope an deep inner psychological view of inferiority amongst what is consider an equal opportunity society. This is how we start to cause problems or racism , abhorrently distorting the views of youth. Repetively causing the views that cause misunderstandings about religious freedom and other ethnic backgrounds
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 01:53 pm |
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Quoting joooe86: im a footballer too.i think the referee was right. football has rules. |
This was not a rule at the time and was voted on at the start of a tournament.
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 02:07 pm |
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Quoting gavi: sorry aenigma x you miss the point of the article Quote: It does make me curious now about other school/sporting activies. For example swimming? Is this allowed? And...presumably if the child has to cover her head, she also cannot wear shorts or proper sports clothes? It is a real burden to a child/teenager surely?
I don't want to offend anyone, but it seems to me that the title of this thread would more apply to those who are forced to wear a headscarf while doing such things and made to feel different
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By the way just writing the words I don't want to offend anyone but........ is offensive most times.....Go to a schoolyard and watch children play they don't care what you wear they just want to play. It is after we have listen to adult views for many years that we develope racism and predjudice. However this was not what the news article was about. When I find an article with headlines saying child in Canada forced to wear headscarf while playing soccer, I promise I will post it for you. Secondly this was not a debate on forcing a child to wear a headscarf we don't know this was the case at all. If you want to do a profile and debate on a topic regarding the above issue you mentioned start another thread.
Now back to the this article...........
A headscarf did not show to be a problem in anyway for this girl to play for the past few years on teams. As a matter of fact there are many different sports that one can wear a headscarf with that will not interfer with performance or safety. Soccer is a not contact sport or should not be at this level. My issues is that no other 11 year old girl muslim or non muslim would view this girl who is wearing her hijab a problem . I have seen girls on softball teams also wear one. My issue is that on a silly adult level they have decided to make this decision and turn an issue which in theory is harmless into a problem. Most likely this will probaly stop other muslim girls who wear hijabs here in Canada from playing this sport. In the long run young muslim girls will feel shunned, isolated and different and most likely will slowly develope an deep inner psychological view of inferiority amongst what is consider an equal opportunity society. This is how we start to cause problems or racism , abhorrently distorting the views of youth. Repetively causing the views that cause misunderstandings about religious freedom and other ethnic backgrounds |
I did not miss the point of the article at all. As far as I understand it, the wearing of the hijab or headscarf is to hide all "ornaments" that may be attractive to men. I will not debate the sensibilty or sexism involved in this culture in this thread. However, I was merely asking the question of other sports (which you have chosen not to answer). Swimming for example?
Your point of "going to a school yard and watching children play" is a valid one. They are running free and unconcerned about their appearance or having the need to shamefully hide their hair or body or with the hinderance of wearing a hijab.
Anyway back to topic....soccer IS a contact sport and it could be extremely dangerous to wear such things while playing. This is my opinion.
Presumably you posted this to initiate comment, but only if the comment supports YOUR theory!
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 02:13 pm |
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May I also ask why you have chosen to post this in the Turkish News and Announcements Forum? This is clearly a Canadian muslim issue and should be posted in the off-topic.
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 02:18 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: May I also ask why you have chosen to post this in the Turkish News and Announcements Forum? This is clearly a Canadian muslim issue and should be posted in the off-topic. |
good point my error in posting in the wrong forum will make this all better 
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 02:24 pm |
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Quoting gavi: Quoting aenigma x: May I also ask why you have chosen to post this in the Turkish News and Announcements Forum? This is clearly a Canadian muslim issue and should be posted in the off-topic. |
good point my error in posting in the wrong forum will make this all better |
You expect someone to make this better for you? There are many things we could try to resolve here. For instance terrifying animals in front of crowds for "entertainment" hahaha! Nice picture 
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 02:24 pm |
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Gavi, if it's about non-contact sports I agree with you that freedom of choice should be there - I love to see Navratilova and tennis bobo's like her that way. But can you explain why you think a headscarf should be possible with contact sports or - like Aenigma said - swimming or some type of athletics (rings etc)? I can imagine that pulling at clothes can make a dangerous situation, or drowning at waterpolo / swimming, hang yourself with gymnastics etc. I really like to hear your arguements.
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