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I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior
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30.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 03:23 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting gavi:

Muslim parents are allowed to send their children to public swimming lessons if they are under the age of puberty after having taken reasonable safeguards, such as sending them with proper attire for swimming and making sure there is no chance for girls and boys to be isolated.
Also here they may do other credits to give them the necessary marks needed in school. Would be the same as a child having no arms or legs. There is a reason they can not participate.



So a child that CAN use other clothing (but does not want to) is the same as a child that miss an arm or leg (and can't get an extra part)? Strange idea you have of both religion, choice and handicaps.

And classes are mixed, seperated classes are much too expensive. If a parents fails in sending his/her child, they will be fined - here.



in essex schools once they are in secondary schools the sports are segregated anyway so that men and women don;'t do sports together the majority of the time.

31.       libralady
5152 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 03:27 pm

I think another point that ought to be considered here, is why do people not respect the rules of that country? Regardless of religion. We are bending over backwards all of the time, especially in England to accomodate all religions, to the extreme of actually discriminating against Christians.

I don't go a lot on any religion as I feel that is causes far too many problems, but I do think that if a rule is applied and other children abide by it then NO the headscarf should not be worn whilst playing football. The first thing I would have considered is the health and safety side of it. No jewellery is taken taken for granted so why not no headscarf. I cant think how ridiculous that must look. Have you ever seen anyone play football in a Turban?

Perhaps a compromise could be reached and she wear a scull cap similar to the patka that Monty Panesar wears (a Sikh Cricketer in the UK).

Why can't everyone apply a modicum of common sense these days! Why cannot people try and integrate into the society they have chosen to live in, but instead of that try and get the rules changed for them.

32.       aenigma x
0 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 03:35 pm

Oh the joys of a multi-cultural society. We are expected to bend all of our country's legal, religious and cultrual rules to integrate with all religions, but I have yet to see a "bending of the rules" from those religions themselves.

If I go and live in an Islamic state i am refused the right to even testify in court against a muslim! One example of thousands of rules I must adhere to.

I completely agree Libralady.

33.       gavi
0 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 03:59 pm

Ohhhhhhhh I give up it .........

34.       aenigma x
0 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 04:00 pm

Quoting gavi:

Ohhhhhhhh I give up it .........



Why? Have your principles changed? Have you realised your mistake?

35.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 04:02 pm

Quoting gavi:

sorry I did not mention this is a all girl league they do not play with boys at all.



then why was she wearing a headscarf in the first place...besides the fact she was 11 and in my opinion didn't even need to be wearing it..

36.       gavi
0 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 04:07 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting gavi:

Ohhhhhhhh I give up it .........



Why? Have your principles changed? Have you realised your mistake?


absolutely have not changed my opinion just relized how moronic some people can be........not worth the aggravation......

37.       aenigma x
0 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 04:09 pm

Quoting gavi:

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting gavi:

Ohhhhhhhh I give up it .........



Why? Have your principles changed? Have you realised your mistake?


absolutely have not changed my opinion just released that how moronic some people can be........not worth the aggravation......



You think my opinions are "moronic"? Why, because I disagree with you? Offend you?

I think that your "sport" of terrifying animals for entertainment is moronic and it offends me, but I am happy to discuss it

38.       Capoeira
575 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 04:14 pm

Quoting libralady:

I think another point that ought to be considered here, is why do people not respect the rules of that country? Regardless of religion. We are bending over backwards all of the time, especially in England to accomodate all religions, to the extreme of actually discriminating against Christians.

I don't go a lot on any religion as I feel that is causes far too many problems, but I do think that if a rule is applied and other children abide by it then NO the headscarf should not be worn whilst playing football. The first thing I would have considered is the health and safety side of it. No jewellery is taken taken for granted so why not no headscarf. I cant think how ridiculous that must look. Have you ever seen anyone play football in a Turban?

Perhaps a compromise could be reached and she wear a scull cap similar to the patka that Monty Panesar wears (a Sikh Cricketer in the UK).

Why can't everyone apply a modicum of common sense these days! Why cannot people try and integrate into the society they have chosen to live in, but instead of that try and get the rules changed for them.



Sticky question to debate!!!! I mean UK and USA have to work double to include all these cultural/social practices and make thigs equatable. Other countries don't have this problem because they don't have the enormous immigration issues that we have. Or they simply cart you off to jail if you don't comply with the social norms. Honestly, my parents had some religious rules that were not compatable with playing baseball and the rules of that sport. So they simply didn't allow me to play. I mean one can't always have it their way.

39.       aenigma x
0 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 04:19 pm

Quoting Capoeira:

Sticky question to debate!!!! I mean UK and USA have to work double to include all these cultural/social practices and make thigs equatable. Other countries don't have this problem because they don't have the enormous immigration issues that we have.



I think you will find that most European countries have this problem, plus Australia, New Zealand....

40.       Capoeira
575 posts
 04 Mar 2007 Sun 04:37 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting Capoeira:

Sticky question to debate!!!! I mean UK and USA have to work double to include all these cultural/social practices and make thigs equatable. Other countries don't have this problem because they don't have the enormous immigration issues that we have.



I think you will find that most European countries have this problem, plus Australia, New Zealand....



I was very vague about other countries here. You are right to clear that up. I was refering to 'other' in my mind I am imagining the countries where the immigrants come from. Indeed even in European countries this is an issue. Thanks for pointing that out! (not being sarcastic here)

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