how did you find Kenan Dogulu's performance?
it was better than i expected
but his costume was so funny :S what was that red jacket!!
what do u think?

I think there were better songs than the turkish but it was by far the best song of those who's going to the finals. I don't believe that it was a fair vote, the east european and non-european countries all (more or less) vote for their neighbours no matter the quality of the song. That became obvious yesterday

Good luck to Kenan Dogulu for tonight.. i wonder who will win... we'll see soon....

I have to say.. I think Kenan Doğulus song sucks.. turkey has such beautiful melodies in the folksongs, such beautiful powerful voices, such beautiful eastern instruments which, if you ask me, are rather successfull combined with modern music technology. They would come much further had they chosen a more Turkish song.

I heard the Greeks stole parts of the Turkish song, but I think they made it better.. Such a pity because Kenan Doğulu may not be the worlds best singer, but he has pretty good lyrics, wish he had used that knowledge for a more interesting song But we will see who is gonna win.

Edited: I think Turkish dancing was really nice though, especially in the 'Turkish' break!

I'm listening (but not watching) and so far I haven't heard anything special - but many singers out of tune. I am curious for the song from Turkey.

United Kingdom.. what is this

İ think Russian song was the nicest one till now.. But it looks like its going from bad to worse. Suddenly İm wondering why Dutch song didnt get through, it wouldnt look as bad between all these songs after all

Bulgaria, what is this for horrible noise?

Heres your Turkish song Trudy

I thought Serbia wasnt that bad either. And Bulgaria.. at least it was interesting

Sorry, but I don't think the Turkish song is good. I think there are much better songs (and singers) in Turkey.

i like the songs of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Georgia, Macedonia,Serbia, Finland and Moldova

Huh? It was broadcasted on TRT İNT in Turkey and now, before showing the votes, there is a programme abotu EFES? Did it switch to another channel or are the votes in half an hour or something?

And.. as expected... Turkey got 12 points from the Netherlands. I cant help but love and hate Paul de Leeuw at the same time

it seems that eurovision come to end.I have watched voting and results and noticed I can guess who will get best point to others,for example all balkans countries support each other like scandinavians,old soviet countries...

it is not exciting contest and funny...hah

It was SO obvious to see that almost everyone gives the highest votes for their neighbour countries, no matter the quality of the songs. I think it has been really corrupted this year.

And what the heck is going on with Ukraine being number two? That song was just awful Well I could go on ranting but I won't, bottom line is there were many bad songs this year. I didn't vote because I didn't vote because there weren't any songs I liked enough to spend 20 kuruş on it

There was a few songs in the semifinals which I believe were far better than the highest ranked songs...too bad for them.

I am not so sure it's only about sentimental feelings of ex-countries... it's more the same taste for certain type of music. Like Greece and Cyprus, or Bosnia and Herzegovina and Turkey. And we should count diaspora as well.

CONGRATULATIONS SERBIA
Serbian ballad wins at Eurovision
Serbian singer Marija Serifovic has won the Eurovision Song Contest at a ceremony in Helsinki
Trudy is right, there are much better songs and singers in Türkiye…

No because eg. Greece and Cyprus almost ALWAYS give eachother 12 points and they would never dream of giving Turkey high points. I think genres have been spread pretty much, there's little or no pattern when it comes to that.

But I always like when the countries have some cultural referances like Deli_kizin mentioned earlier. Cyprus sang in french this year, what's the point of that? And there was also another country which partly sang (or counted, rather) in german...come on ya! I think it's a shame everyone's gone so mainstream, there's almost no distinction. Any song could have been from any country, pretty much. There's so few countries who sing in their own language, why?

I can't deny I am happy tonight... Thanks, Culday!!!

congrats to Serbia

Oh congratulations duda! Didn't know you were from Serbia.

Eurovisin bahane,ama dostluk şahane

hem ayni

its always to nice singing friendship song in a large saloon under the lights all togehtereven if there r some special treatments

maybe Serbia doesnt have the best song but we r won anyway and im really happy ....i liked greece and turkey

Türkiye olarak, İngiltere ve Hollanda' ya verdikleri 12 puvan nedeniyle teşekkür ederiz.
We would like to thank England and Nederland for 12 points as Türkiye.

Marija Serifovic's ballad Molitva was the first non-English language song to win the contest since 1998.
This is really a big success for SERBIA...

what is interesting is, in this eurovision generally guys were pretending as girls, dressed like girls.. awful... to be honest kenan dogulu's song wasnt good but still i think it was much better than ukraine! they were.... too weird :-S

Kenan Dogulu's song was not bad at all... better than many other songs.

And when we are at guys in skirts, I just must quote our winner Marija Å erifović:

"It's time for singers to be valued by how they sing, and not by how they look like."

of course what is important is firstly voice.. but its strange that so many guys were like that..
by the way congrats to serbia.. even though i didnt like the song much it was a great succes

Thanks again in the name of my country. And I wonder as well as you... maybe they think that funny effect is going to help them win.

Well, I am happy because my country won... but as I would like this thread to remain connected with Turkey, I appeal to our Turkish friends to help... I would like to post the lyrics with English translation for those who liked the poem (I got a request already), but I would like to see the song in Turkish here as well. Thanks to all friends!

Molitva

Ni oka da sklopim,
postelja prazna tera san,
a život se topi
i nestaje brzo, k'o dlanom o dlan.
K'o razum da gubim,
jer stvarnost i ne primećujem,
još uvek te ljubim,
još uvek ti slepo verujem.

K'o luda, ne znam kuda,
ljubavi se nove bojim,
a dane, žive rane,
više ne brojim...

Molitva, kao žar na mojim usnama je,
molitva, mesto reči samo ime tvoje.

Nebo zna, kao ja,
koliko puta sam ponovila,
to nebo zna, baš kao ja,
da je ime tvoje moja jedina
molitva.
Al Bogu ne mogu
lagati sve dok se molim,
a lažem ako kažem
da te ne volim...

Prayer

I can't even shut my eyes,
the empty bad is driving the sleep away,
and the life is melting
and dissapearing quickly, in no time.
It's like I am losing my mind,
for I even don't notice the reality,
still I am loving you,
still I am blindly believing you.

Like being mad, I don't know whereto,
I am afraid of a new love,
and the days, my live wounds,
I even don't count them anymore...

A prayer, it's like an ember on my lips,
A prayer, it's your name only instead of words.

The heaven knows, as well as me,
how many times I have repeated,
The heaven knows it, just as well as me,
that your name is the only
prayer of mine.
But I can't lie to God
all the time while I'm praying,
and I lie if I say
that I am not loving you...

P.S. Though it's already connected with Turkey in a way... Marija's forename is of the Turkish origin.

It has good lyrics. Thanks for the translation

I think they deserved it, it was one of the better songs of the contest.

Hope my course-friend Jugoslava will be happy too

Just read the lyrics. Really nice It would be nice if they would put the subtitles in English, or every country for itself in their native language. Though the magic of music might be found just in the voice and instruments, words can make the impact of a song so much stronger. A beautiful song can be forgotten quickly when the words arent worth remembering, whereas an awful song may be remembered forever because of the beauty in its words. I heard they already have this system in England, they dont have in Türkiye, neither in Holland (or do they this year?)

Molitva

Ni oka da sklopim,
postelja prazna tera san,
a život se topi
i nestaje brzo, k'o dlanom o dlan.
K'o razum da gubim,
jer stvarnost i ne primećujem,
još uvek te ljubim,
još uvek ti slepo verujem.

K'o luda, ne znam kuda,
ljubavi se nove bojim,
a dane, žive rane,
više ne brojim...

Molitva, kao žar na mojim usnama je,
molitva, mesto reči samo ime tvoje.

Nebo zna, kao ja,
koliko puta sam ponovila,
to nebo zna, baš kao ja,
da je ime tvoje moja jedina
molitva.
Al Bogu ne mogu
lagati sve dok se molim,
a lažem ako kažem
da te ne volim...

Prayer

I can't even shut my eyes,
the empty bad is driving the sleep away,
and the life is melting
and dissapearing quickly, in no time.
It's like I am losing my mind,
for I even don't notice the reality,
still I am loving you,
still I am blindly believing you.

Like being mad, I don't know whereto,
I am afraid of a new love,
and the days, my live wounds,
I even don't count them anymore...

A prayer, it's like an ember on my lips,
A prayer, it's your name only instead of words.

The heaven knows, as well as me,
how many times I have repeated,
The heaven knows it, just as well as me,
that your name is the only
prayer of mine.
But I can't lie to God
all the time while I'm praying,
and I lie if I say
that I am not loving you...

translation by DUDA


Dua


Gözlerimi bile kapatamıyorum,
boş yatak uykuyu başka yerlere götürüyor,
ve hayat eriyip gidiyor,
çok çabuk kayboluyor, kısa zaman içinde.
Hafızamı kaybeder gibi,
gerçeklerden bile haberdar değilim,
seni hala seviyorum,
sana hala körükörüne inanıyorum.

Deli olur gibi, bilmiyorum nereye,
Yeni bir aştan korkuyorum,
ve günler, benim yaşayan yaralarım
Artık onları daha fazla sayamıyorum...

Bir dua, dudaklarımdaki bir kor gibi
Bir dua, bu sadece senin adın sözcüklerin yerine

Cennet biliyor, benim bildiğim gibi,
kaç kez tekrarladığımı.
Cennet onu biliyor, sadece benim bildiğim gibi,
sadece senin adının,
Benim duam olduğunu.
Fakat Tanrı’ya yalan söylemem
dua ettiğim tüm zamanlarda
yalan söylemiş olurum
eğer seni sevmediğimi söylersem...

translation by GOODMAX and SANJA

Ohhhh Sanya... You two were faster than me. Thanks! But you won't be angry if I add another translation? I bothered my dear friend to help, and his efforts will be in vain if I don't post it... But as this is a Turkish thread, let's say we are practicing our Turkish on different translations.

So thanks Sanya, thanks Goodmax, and thanks my dear friend who wanted to stay anonimous.

Dua

Gözlerimi kapayamıyorum bile
Boş yatakta uyku tutmuyor
Ve hayat eriyor
ve hızla yitip gidiyor zamansız.
Aklımı yitirmiş gibiyim
Gerçeğe hiç aldırış etmiyorum,
Seni hâlâ seviyorum
Hâlâ sana körü körüne inanıyorum.

Deli gibiyim, nereye gitmeli bilmiyorum.
Yeni bir aşk korkutuyor beni,
Ve günler, yaşayan yaralarım,
Onları sayamıyorum bile artık...

Bir dua, kor ateş gibi dudaklarımda,
Bir dua, kelimeler yerine sadece senin ismin.

Tanrı da biliyor benim bildiğimi,
Kaç kere tekrarladığımı,
Tanrı da biliyor tamı tamına benim bildiğimi,
ki senin ismin
tek duamdır benim.
Ama Tanrıya yalan söyleyemem ki
Bütün bu duaları ederken,
Ve yalan söylemiş olurum
Eğer seni sevmediğimi söylersem...

erm...ok...i was watching the entries on youtube.

did anyone notice how greece's entry and turkey's entry were fighteningly similar??!! down to singing in english, a guy dancing with a group of girls, both songs about a girl!!

OMG! who is ripping off who??

kenan doğulu (turkey):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD5-H00MW_A

sarbel (greece):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqXK52lCL38

OMG! You're right gezbelle! And they both sing about 'shaking', it's pathetic .

I must say that I'm ashamed of the video of Poland (not that the song is any better ). Why do I feel that watching these Eurovision videos is like watching porn??? WTF is wrong with us! These songs have nothing to do with individual cultures, they are a shame.

Serbia - wonderful performance and a beautiful song!

I saw a different video of Serbia... . Very high quality performance, the only non-pornographic of all the videos I watched and in their own beautiful language.

Oh, good catch angel-frier .

The song "Stupid Girls" (Pink) comes to my mind while watching Eurovision... (except for Serbia ).

It's sad though that she chose to dress like a man, obviously because the idea of female beauty is so sickly defined that she would probably be criticized about her weight.
It reminds me of the women from countries in which they are oppressed that say that they wish they were born men . It's really sad what kind of world we've created again... .

wooooooooooooooooooooooo kenannn
england were well badd!!!!!!!!flying the flag for you hahahaha

"music is for listening not for watching"

and tunes for to be lasting not for temporaryits really nice to listen a song with the same joy after long years as on listening first time,and to be lasting really nice on many things,but pity consumption culture killing many things so easy...and most of contest rely on this culture

My belated congratulations to Serbia and a big thanks to Duda for the english translation.
I found the song nice (so much better from the other entries) and I loved the fact that people looked behind her strange (maybe ugly) looks and valued the song.

Most of the songs were terrible and the singers' outfits even worse. It looked like a big circus to me

As for the greek song (or the turkish- after all they were so alike) I think both were terrible. I haven't read the posts above to see other people's views, but I can't help but feeling ashamed for the greek choice . I don't blame the singer. This is his style and this is the music he can do. I blame the greek people for voting for this song though. But now that I think about it, the other songs that were competing with this one were twice as bad, so I really don't know whom to blame. Maybe myself for watching this contest? Hmmmmm....

In fact, all of us in Serbia were not a little scared before the Eurovisian contest... I've heard many people saying (including me): "Oh, please, just not let Marija's designer force her to put on a dress..." She just doesn't have a figure for that (not only overweight), and it's not her style (always in trousers and T-shirts), so it wouldn't be her... But we were amazed with the styling of her co-singers. Those girls were so uniformly pretty, and intentionally "Barbie-like" (or Farah Fawcett-like, whatever) that they looked almost like a piece of a decoration, or a landscape, and put Marija's figure in the first plan, she really seemed powerful. And really, for me it's a kind of proof that personality is stronger than beauty, that's what the stylists wanted and managed to point out.

And thanks again, I am surprised by how many people here liked the song... Ohhhh, I am thanking as it was me who won... ...but I was touched by what catwoman said about Serbian language... not that many people pay attention to such things.

P.S. I would congratulate to Bulgaria and Romania from my side... No one mentioned them, but Bulgarian singer was amazing in her performance of that ethno-motif, and Romania had 6 excellent singers and so cheerful melody.

eurovision is a crappy contest!
less proffessionalism - more scandalism!
a geo-political contest, not music.
the eastern block states have granted each other the points, esp. post-soviets republics. and of course germany traditionally voted for turkey

serbia wasnt bad actually, thank God ukraine didnt win!
i mostly liked guys from latvia, professionals!
though i had fun watching france, sweden and ukraine!
oh, i forgot to add that funny guys from romania werre really super cool!
oh, one more thing, hehehe brits were flying and flying so hard that they landed on the 2nd from the bottom!

mltm is right femme, the turkish guy is definitely NOT a macho! lol though he has his harem on stage (very aesthetic one too ). the greek one is a macho though and therefore he has a modern style harem - a porn show (with very healthy looking women mltm, you must agree with me for once ).

Don't know if anyone knows this, but the (so called) Belly Dancers with the Turkish entry were British!!