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Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 06:34 pm |
Believe it....But I believe most of these incidents are
of individual actions while hiding behind 'Police Uniforms'- after all - they are there to 'protect you ' are they not?
Also, unless one was an actual witness - from the begining
to the end - you will never know what really provoked this
situtation.....At times, the perpetrators brings things upon
themselves by 'mouthing off ' when they should stay silent.
For the sake of those around this poor guy, he should have
used better judgement and simply not drank during this holy
time....' Ramadan '. People are serious about their faith.
I've worked in Saudi and while there , during Ramadan,
I simply conformed to their way of life....easy.
There are many ruthless 'Peace Officers' world over...Most
of them are younger and really unqualified or mature enough
to 'police' people.
If one goes to Mexico, you will find this a common
occurrance, espcially against tourists.....espcially
against caucasian tourists.....
My son works for the police in the US and I
know - These officers are only human too and they have their limits....Test these limits at the wrong time, wrong place , with a bad attitude and you are history....
When in Rome...and better yet...ESPECIALLY IF you ARE from Rome....
Do as the Romans do....Discipline yourself....
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 06:36 pm |
Quoting KeithL: I don't know why this story should be so surprising though. Erdogan went to jail when he was mayor of Istanbul for ignoring secular laws among other crimes against the state. |
I have a hard time keeping track of crooked politicians in my own country...I had no idea. I am appauled.
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 07:26 pm |
Quoting eddie:
For the sake of those around this poor guy, he should have
used better judgement and simply not drank during this holy
time....' Ramadan '. People are serious about their faith.
I've worked in Saudi and while there , during Ramadan,
I simply conformed to their way of life....easy.
When in Rome...and better yet...ESPECIALLY IF you ARE from Rome....
Do as the Romans do....Discipline yourself....
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This is Taksim, the tourist district. It is not possible to walk down Istiklal and not see people eating, drinking and smoking...
Please don't compare Istanbul to Saudi. This is the dream of all the anti-secularists...
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 07:39 pm |
Didn't know this. Thanks.
My message still applies otherwise..thank you for the tip.
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 07:47 pm |
Quoting KeithL: Quoting eddie:
For the sake of those around this poor guy, he should have
used better judgement and simply not drank during this holy
time....' Ramadan '. People are serious about their faith.
I've worked in Saudi and while there , during Ramadan,
I simply conformed to their way of life....easy.
When in Rome...and better yet...ESPECIALLY IF you ARE from Rome....
Do as the Romans do....Discipline yourself....
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This is Taksim, the tourist district. It is not possible to walk down Istiklal and not see people eating, drinking and smoking...
Please don't compare Istanbul to Saudi. This is the dream of all the anti-secularists... |
Keith, I have only been to Istanbul as a tourist...but my impression was that NOT everyone in Istanbul is Muslim...there is a fairly large Jewish and Orthodox population as well. Am I wrong? I know I was able to find a Catholic church to go to while I was there. If I am right, it does not seem very "secular" to me.
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 07:57 pm |
Turkey is over 99% muslim of course. And throughout the country, there are regions that are more religous than others. In Istanbul, Beyoglu and Taksim are know for nightlife. Everyone knows this, practicing muslims and non-practicing muslims alike know this. So anyone that chooses to visit this area (even during Ramazan), they should expect to see people that are not fasting.
I do agree that you should respect the area that you are in. Most areas of Istanbul, it would not be appropriate during Ramazan to drink water, smoke or eat in public. But Istiklal is not one of these places....
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:06 pm |
This is a broad generalization but the Christians and Jews who live here do not to seem overly religous to me. Most of the Jews in istanbul live in Sisli, and it does not appear to me that they observe the sabbath. The Italian Catholic Church is usually empty on Sundays and the masses are very short and simple. The orthodox churches are spread out all over the city. But again, if I pass one, I never think to myself there is alot of activity in them during the week or on Sundays.
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:13 pm |
Quoting KeithL: This is a broad generalization but the Christians and Jews who live here do not to seem overly religous to me. Most of the Jews in istanbul live in Sisli, and it does not appear to me that they observe the sabbath. The Italian Catholic Church is usually empty on Sundays and the masses are very short and simple. The orthodox churches are spread out all over the city. But again, if I pass one, I never think to myself there is alot of activity in them during the week or on Sundays. |
Yes, you are right about the church being somewhat empty. Mostly, I just wanted to point out that not everyone is a muslim or a practicing muslim and if you are going to say that you are secular - then you should be secular. Someone who represents the government has no right to comment on the religious practices or lack of religious practice of a citizen...of course that is just my opinion and I have my own definition of what is secular. I think for me it is disturbing that someone representing the government did this.
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:19 pm |
As far as Christians are concerned.....It is a CHOICE to
attend services....not a law. To 'Keep Holy the Lords's
Day' is does not mean a phyisical presence inside a building.
It is a commandment to fast and pray. Where one does this
is their choice....so many CANNOT attend.
Catholics are 'christians' also but they have 'rules' concerning being present at Mass on Sundays....
Christians have no such religious rules..just the Bible.
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:22 pm |
Quoting eddie:
Christians have no such religious rules..just the Bible.
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Catholics are the only Christian sect with rules???
Now thats interesting.....
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28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:26 pm |
Quoting eddie: As far as Christians are concerned.....It is a CHOICE to
attend services....not a law. To 'Keep Holy the Lords's
Day' is does not mean a phyisical presence inside a building.
It is a commandment to fast and pray. Where one does this
is their choice....so many CANNOT attend.
Catholics are 'christians' also but they have 'rules' concerning being present at Mass on Sundays....
Christians have no such religious rules..just the Bible.
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Catholics are obligated to go to church EVERY Sunday.
There are a myriad of other RULES that must be followed as well. Please don't post something as fact if you don't know. Many Christian sects are required to attend church.
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