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30.       Serdar07
428 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:42 pm

Welcome to the death of civil rights now as it is happening in Iraq for some years now! That's just the beginning Turikish friends and who knows what is coming later?
These everythings including killings in the sake of God in Iraq... you know what was Iraq before 30 years ago?

31.       Trudy
7887 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:45 pm

Quoting Serdar07:

Welcome to the death of civil rights now as it is happening in Iraq for some years now! That's just the beginning Turikish friends and who knows what is coming later?
These everythings including killings in the sake of God in Iraq... you know what was Iraq before 30 years ago?



I hope, wish and pray you are wrong Serdar!

32.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:46 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting Serdar07:

Welcome to the death of civil rights now as it is happening in Iraq for some years now! That's just the beginning Turikish friends and who knows what is coming later?
These everythings including killings in the sake of God in Iraq... you know what was Iraq before 30 years ago?



I hope, wish and pray you are wrong Serdar!



All of us who love Turkey do!!

33.       KeithL
1455 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:47 pm

Quoting Serdar07:

Welcome to the death of civil rights now as it is happening in Iraq for some years now! That's just the beginning Turikish friends and who knows what is coming later?
These everythings including killings in the sake of God in Iraq... you know what was Iraq before 30 years ago?



This is why turkish constitution and responsibilities of the military to the state are so important. This is a situation unique only to Turkey which is why the western nations have a hard time understanding.

34.       Serdar07
428 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:49 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting Serdar07:

Welcome to the death of civil rights now as it is happening in Iraq for some years now! That's just the beginning Turikish friends and who knows what is coming later?
These everythings including killings in the sake of God in Iraq... you know what was Iraq before 30 years ago?



I hope, wish and pray you are wrong Serdar!



Yes Trudy everyday there are killing not for the American invading Iraq but for the sake of God .. they thought there are 2 different gods one belongs to the Shiaaaa and the ohter to Sunni

35.       portokal
2516 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 09:06 pm

The english version of the article starts with "A new incident of torture and attack is recorded agianst Beyoglu police". Keith, do you know if this reffers to other recent incidents involving Beyoglu police?

36.       alameda
3499 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 09:14 pm

Quoting KeithL:

one source

story in turkish



What type of publication is this? When I go to a listing of Turkish Press:

http://www.byegm.gov.tr/TURKBASINI/turkishpress/newspaper.htm

It's not there. There is nothing on any other news source on it either that I can find....and I look at a LOT of international news sources.

37.       KeithL
1455 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 09:17 pm

There are incidents of police brutality in Taksim all the time. Don't remember the circumstances but earlier this year or late last year, they caught a big policeman punching and shoving an older man (with his wife) in a beyoglu cafe. The video was all over the news for a few days.

38.       eddie
0 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 09:58 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting eddie:

Yes....they have what is called a 'Catechism'. This catechism, among many things - outlines Church laws and

Traditions that a Catholic must adhere to.
In this Catechism , one will find all the 'rules, tradtions,
suggestions,etc to remain a 'good Catholic'.

They follow many traditions instituted by the Mageisterium
formed hundreds of years ago by the Pontiffs ( popes ) and
Bishops,...etc....

Catholicism is a 'Religion'...

Christianity is not ...it is a Relationship with God - a very personal one.



Sorry Eddie, but you're talking nonsense. Even as an ex-catholic I know there are many rules and laws to obey within the several protestant churches. And you dare to call 'Christianity' not a religion? Talking about respect....



True enough. I misspoke...Christianity entails many facets,
depending on which you choose to belong to..

The Christianity I was referring to is not associated with
a 'Main Line' Protestant Church....Perhaps some of these
contain similar 'laws'.


I'm afraid it is too broad a subject to discuss here in
TC Class ( ooops ) ...I was merely referring to Keith's
statement about 'empty' churches and 'synagogues' in
Turkey.

Besides , we've compromised the topic. I was actually
defending the Muslim Faith in their own country and how
to show proper respect when being an outsider or otherwise.
Thank you Trudy for your insight .

39.       eddie
0 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 10:02 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting eddie:

Catholicism is a 'Religion'...

Christianity is not ...it is a Relationship with God - a very personal one.



I'm going to take a wild guess here but I bet you like George Bush. Am I wrong?



He or any other human being have nothing to do with my
comments. I was merely defending the 'empty churches and
synagogues ' reference you made earlier.

And I am neither ! Thanks ..

40.       portokal
2516 posts
 28 Sep 2007 Fri 10:04 pm

as Alameda said, i didn't find no other trace of the news, either, except for the webpage where the english version was posted. I hope this was just a tendencious introduction (although this can be as well acceptable) of an article and that this is an isolated incident, and not a sign of loosing freedom and of future violations of rights.

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