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1.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 03:30 pm


Sitting Bull's people break away from US Article from: Agence France-Presse From correspondents in Washington

December 20, 2007 03:10pm

The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the US.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the US, some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the US were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.
"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution, '' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

``It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent, '' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because ``it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

``We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The US ``annexation' ' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere ``facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the US; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

2.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 03:42 pm

Here we go, Alpha:



3.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 04:00 pm

Thank you dear frıend Roswıtha,

AlphaF (alıas, Heavy Feather}

4.       teaschip
3870 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 04:01 pm

Independence? Well I believe they already have that. I don't deny what the whites did was a terrible thing, however they have just as many opportuntites with education and success than any other American citizens. They even have more leverage when it comes to getting federal grants for college, than most. Some of them prefer to build casinos on their land, instead. I'm interested to see how well their independant government will be funded and having no sea ports for trade will take them.

Why don't we just hand the south back to Mexico and just call it a day. Heck, we'll all claim ancestral rights and move back to Europe and demand to be included in their social welfare. You know I'm part German and Irish, I should be entitled to something.

5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 04:03 pm

Or be modest and keep your mouths shut...when ıt comes to human rıghts..

6.       teaschip
3870 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 04:27 pm

What has Turkey done for Armenians? Any land or special grants for education? You are in no position to talk about Human Rights either Omega..

7.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 04:34 pm

You know what they say...those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...most modern nations live in glass houses.

Alpha, most Native American tribes have moved beyond all this and are proud Americans. They serve bravely in the military, enjoy the same life and freedoms everyone else does. Most of the time, they are very revered in American society. Most Americans honor their traditions and acknowledge their contributions...can the same be said for every other nation in the world how has been in this situation?

8.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 04:39 pm

I cant recall any natıve Indıan US presıdents !

9.       teaschip
3870 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 04:44 pm

What's your point, so there hasn't been a woman president either. Just for your information..

1987 President Ronald Reagan appoints Dr. Joy Cherian, the 1st Indian Commissioner of the United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commmision (EEOC).

2007 Bobby Jindal is elected governor of Louisiana and is the 1st person of Indian descent to be elected governor of an American state. He is presently and historically the highest ranking Indian American in the United States Government.

Shall I go on...

10.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 21 Dec 2007 Fri 04:45 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

I cant recall any natıve Indıan US presıdents !

Has there been an Kurdish president in Turkey....or perhaps someone of Armenian decent? Just curious

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