ANYONE HERE CAN SEND ME A LAKOTA FLAG ?
I WANT TO SUPPORT MY BROTHERS.


Sitting Bull's people break away from US Article from: Agence France-Presse From correspondents in Washington

December 20, 2007 03:10pm

The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the US.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the US, some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the US were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.
"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution, '' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

``It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent, '' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because ``it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

``We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The US ``annexation' ' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere ``facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the US; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

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http://www.snowwowl.com/peoplesioux.html


http://www.scvlakotanationcamp2000.org/


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Thank you dear frıend Roswıtha,

AlphaF (alıas, Heavy Feather}

Independence? Well I believe they already have that. I don't deny what the whites did was a terrible thing, however they have just as many opportuntites with education and success than any other American citizens. They even have more leverage when it comes to getting federal grants for college, than most. Some of them prefer to build casinos on their land, instead. I'm interested to see how well their independant government will be funded and having no sea ports for trade will take them.

Why don't we just hand the south back to Mexico and just call it a day. Heck, we'll all claim ancestral rights and move back to Europe and demand to be included in their social welfare. You know I'm part German and Irish, I should be entitled to something.

Or be modest and keep your mouths shut...when ıt comes to human rıghts..

What has Turkey done for Armenians? Any land or special grants for education? You are in no position to talk about Human Rights either Omega..

You know what they say...those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...most modern nations live in glass houses.

Alpha, most Native American tribes have moved beyond all this and are proud Americans. They serve bravely in the military, enjoy the same life and freedoms everyone else does. Most of the time, they are very revered in American society. Most Americans honor their traditions and acknowledge their contributions...can the same be said for every other nation in the world how has been in this situation?

I cant recall any natıve Indıan US presıdents !

What's your point, so there hasn't been a woman president either. Just for your information..

1987 President Ronald Reagan appoints Dr. Joy Cherian, the 1st Indian Commissioner of the United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commmision (EEOC).

2007 Bobby Jindal is elected governor of Louisiana and is the 1st person of Indian descent to be elected governor of an American state. He is presently and historically the highest ranking Indian American in the United States Government.

Shall I go on...

Kurdısh presıdent, YES.
Armenıan presıdent, NO...Armenıens are more commercıally orıented master craftsmen....no reason they can not be presıdents, ıf they want to.

THE NAME OF THIS THREAD ıs...A GOOD TEST OF INTEGRITY, NOT A GOOD TEST OF BULLSHIT. PLS CONTRIBUTE ACCORDINGLY.

Omega, are you sure your not a relative of Crazey Horse?

HEAVY FEATHER SAID ...NO BULSHIT !

I heard that there ıs a place somewhere ın US that the natıve Indıans called CHAPULTEPE...I was told that the Whıte man calls the same place BRIGAND HILL.....

Must be purely coıncıdental !

The human condition of the native americans in minnesota (dakota, sioux, ojibwe) is deplorable.

Suicide, healthcare, unemployment, alcoholism, education inaccessibility.
Its a disgrace. Anyone who cares to investigate the subject longer than 15 minutes can quickly find what has led to these conditions. But looking backwards is not helping the situation.
The Minnesota state government needs to look in the mirror, and do everything possible to not lose another generation of native american children to this cycle of poverty.

Which başbakan was kurdish and where was he from? I didn't know this.

Turgut Ozal was Kurdish, he eventually became the President.

Thanks that's nice to know

Your spelling is correct....

What do you think CHAPULTEPEC means in Turkish? Take a wild guess ! ))))))))))))))

Chapultepec ...is very close to BRIGAND HILL in Turkish.

correct
Do you see what I mean?

Should I be ashamed if US can not raise a lady president?


PS: We in Turkia already had one. We shall never repeat the mistake !

of course I mean her....she is probably very happy, counting her dollars now !

If I am not mistaken, you are about to witness where an original AlphaF thread can actually lead you to....

AlphaF does not appreciate such cold and indifferent remarks.

He likes warm and compassionate words...always!

amazing grace

I read this article, which to me sheds some light and raises some very good questions on the subject.
by Ric James

Please note that the Constitution lists both itself and the laws made “in Pursuance thereof” in the same sentence and, I might add, it lists them first. Without the Constitution, the treaties aren’t accorded the position of being part of the “supreme Law of the Land”, so the implication that treaties are somehow to be considered above all else is incorrect.

I would like to say, however, that I do not argue against the point that people are within their rights to be free and, should they choose, independent of the United States. I do not recognize their rights to be independent of the United States inside the borders of the United States. Nor do I absolve them of the consequences of such a declaration, as our founding fathers were not immune to the consequences of the Declaration of Independence. I would also point out that there are ways that this unilateral withdrawal from treaties with us can turn out that aren’t near so romantically positive as some might think.

The issues with having a foreign country as an overlay onto US soil are far more involved than simply issuing passports and printing up new letterhead. While I realize that the Tribes have their own police force and that tribal laws apply within the boundaries of the existing reservations, this situation goes far beyond that. For starters, the Lakota are rescinding the very treaties that set those reservations up to begin with. Since those treaties are now dissolved, there is no legal basis for the tribal justice system to claim jurisdiction over a given area. Now what? If the Lakota decide to enact some kind of law that is in direct violation of the US Constitution - let’s say they decide to dispense with their law enforcement’s need for a search warrant - what law prevails when a US citizen gets stopped by a Lakota police officer? What happens when that US Citizen makes a run for it? Are they on US soil or Lakota? And what ultimate authority makes that call? The US Supreme Court no longer has jurisdiction over Lakota police without those treaties.

And what about the offer to US Citizens to switch to Lakota nationality? If they’re living on what is now US soil, do the Lakota believe their switch will annex the property? Do those people who accept have to move? What about people who are living in the area claimed who choose not to switch citizenship? Do the Lakota suggest that those people have to move out?

And where, exactly, are the Lakota drawing their map lines, anyway? According to the BIA map of Indian Reservations, there is no reservation that stretches between the states listed in the Lakota’s announcement. And if they’re simply declaring that the 5-state area in question is to be turned over to them, what are they suggesting they’re going to do with the people currently living in those states under US citizenship and what are they implying if we say we’re not turning that land over?

Something else to bear in mind - those treaties have also kept the US from bringing military action against the tribes.

I am interested to see how this will play out but the advocates of the “noble savage” rendition of history should understand that the US isn’t going to gather up all Americans of European descent and cram them into the area of the original 13 colonies. Anyone holding that hope out needs to get a grip.

Native American reservations in USA
Is this not a disgrace?
Anyone have the map of reservations for those with German or Irish ancestry?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Bia-map-indian-reservations-usa.pngscrace?

It is really sad that the discussion about a sensible topic - the injustices to the Native Americans at the hands of Europeans - degrades into a series of ad hominem attacks on contributors to this site. Most US citizens find themselves unable to acknowledge the horrific genocide of the Native Americans and so, as seen here, they will distract the discussion into comparisons with other countries - instead of sticking to the topic. The simple fact is - given the huge resources of the USA - there has never been a remotely suitable program of reparations to the Native American population. Other nations that have admitted to their horrific humanitarian crimes set an example of true contrition by generous reparations, for example Germany to the Jews and Souther Africe to the Blacks. While neither of these examples is perfect, they are far and away more honest acknowledgement
of historical atrocity.

"At the beginning we had all the land and the buffalos. They only had whisky and their bibles.

They killed all the buffalos and took over our land. All we were left with was their bibles."

GIVE NATIVE AMERICANS BACK WHAT THEY RIGHTFULLY OWNED. THEY DO NOT WANT ANY MORE SERMONS.

Right, so let's call for global justice - Americas (both of them) should belong to their native tribes, Jews should be made slaves to the restored Pharaohs..or should we go back even further? How far then? It's impossible to restore the world as it was before so it's pointless arguing which land is whose. Should Poland demand to regain the lands lost throughout history? Should Australians be forced out of Australia and give the Aborigines their land back?

You are pretty sharp, daydreamer...
You got the point...

alpha the monk has a complex of USA and the west!

BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE
Beginning with the Sioux victory over General Custer at Little Big Horn, BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE intertwines the unique perspectives of three characters: Charles Eastman (Adam Beach), né Ohiyesa, a young, Dartmouth-educated, Sioux doctor held up as living proof of the alleged success of assimilation; Sitting Bull (August Schellenberg), the proud Lakota chief who refuses to submit to U.S. government policies designed to strip his people of their identity, their dignity and their sacred land - the gold-laden Black Hills of the Dakotas; and Senator Henry Dawes (Aidan Quinn), one of the architects of the government policy on Indian affairs.

While Eastman and patrician schoolteacher Elaine Goodale (Anna Paquin) work to improve life for the Sioux on the reservation, Senator Dawes lobbies President Grant (Thompson) for more humane treatment, opposing the bellicose stance of General William Tecumseh Sherman (Feore).

Hope rises for the Sioux in the form of the prophet Wovoka (Studi) and the Ghost Dance - a messianic movement that promises an end of their suffering under the white man.

This hope is all but obliterated after the killing of Sitting Bull and the massacre of hundreds of Lakota men, women and children by the 7th Cavalry at Wounded Knee Creek on Dec. 29, 1890.

Published in 1971, Dee Brown's book is one of the foremost works documenting the systematic subjugation of the American Indian during the latter half of the 19th century. It has sold nearly five million copies and has been translated into 17 languages.

From Brown's encyclopedic tome chronicling the fate of the Dakota, Ute, Cheyenne and other tribes, the film focuses on the events leading up to the massacre of the Sioux, which many consider one of the most grievous atrocities in United States history.

A Joint TURKISH - NATIVE AMERICAN COMMITTE TO BE FORMED TO DISCUSS ALLEGED COMMON ROOTS BETWEEN THE TWO NATIONS

Committe to include
Brian Paterson ; Head of Western Tribes
Prof. Marjorie Mandelstam Balzer: Researcher
Asst. Prof.Carol Lujan: Arizona State University
Frank Keel: US State Department
Prof Turker Ozdogan: George Washington University
Prof. Timur Kocaoglu: Michigan State University

SOME COMMON WORDS BETWEEN THE LANGUAGES (NATIVE INDIAN: Turkish)

YATKI : Yatilacak yer, ev
TAMAZKAL : Hamam (temiz kal)
T-SUN : Uzun
TEPEK : Tepe
HU : Selam (hu)
YONUNDA : Yaninda
ASH-KOZ : Yemek (as)
TETE : Dede
TURE : Tore
ATISH-KA : Ates
YU : su
YU-MAK : Yikamak (yumak)
Kusha : Kus
Kun : Gun
Koç : Göç

Wiping The Tears Of Seven Generations
In December of 1990, 300 Lakota Sioux horseback riders rode 250 miles, in two weeks, through bitter sub-zero winter weather, to commemorate the lives lost at The Wounded Massacre of 1890. This program relates the story of how the Lakota Nation mourned the loss of their loved ones for 100 years. They also mourned the loss of some of their people's sacred knowledge which died with the elders that day. Then, inspired by dreams and visions of unity and spiritual awakening, a group of Lakota decided to bring their people out of mourning through a traditional Lakota ceremony which they call Washigila; "Wiping the Tears" The Bigfoot ceremonial Ride was that ceremony.


FilmFestivals, Screenings, Awards
American Indian Film Festival "Best Video" Award, 1991
National Educational Film Fest " Gold Apple: Award, 1992
C.I.N.E. "Golden Eagle" Award, 1992
American Film & Video Festival "Red Ribbon" Award, 1992
Munich International Film Festival "One Future" Prize, 1992
Parnu Anthropology Festival "Best Educational Film", 1992
New York Festivals "Silver Medal" Award, 1993

"Sensitive. Moving. Wiping The Tears Of Seven Generations is a model of the way art can be used to effect reconciliation and renewal" — Professor Huston Smith, Author of The World's Religions