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Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??
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1.       KeithL
1455 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 05:55 am

this site obviously grades on a curve...

2.       eddie
0 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 07:48 am

Discrimination....the tides have turned.....

3.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 03:44 pm

Deleted on special request

4.       KeithL
1455 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 06:03 pm

and all the other cartoons and pictures that have been posted? Have they also been personally requested to delete them?

5.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 06:53 pm

Evet, Keith

6.       KeithL
1455 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 12:35 am

again I ask admin. If you are going to single out Roswitha for cartoons and long posts, I ask you to be consistent and not let any members post cartoons or long posts...

7.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 01:42 am

Quoting KeithL:

again I ask admin. If you are going to single out Roswitha for cartoons and long posts, I ask you to be consistent and not let any members post cartoons or long posts...



quite right Keith. Consistency is the name of the game.

Love from (PT - longest poster? oh oh)

8.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 11:12 am

Quoting KeithL:

and all the other cartoons and pictures that have been posted? Have they also been personally requested to delete them?



But was it admin's or other users' request?

9.       KeithL
1455 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 02:57 pm

admin's request to roswitha..

10.       catwoman
8933 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 03:04 pm

Quoting KeithL:

admin's request to roswitha..


No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that?

11.       KeithL
1455 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 03:15 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

admin's request to roswitha..


No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that?



ask roswitha, I don't think Roswitha would lie to me.....

12.       KeithL
1455 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 06:57 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

admin's request to roswitha..


No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that?



So many lies Catwoman, I have to say. You constantly bully Roswitha. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And your biggest lie was posting to all that you were no longer admin because of your numerous violations of the websites rules as an admin.
Open discussion and debate is fine. Censorship is not.

13.       adonis
0 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 07:02 pm

i like the cartoons of Roswitha cuz they are helpful for showing the ridiculous secrets of the court jesters in this site, but they don't suit the jesters.

i would like to thank to Roswitha for using those cartoons as a litmus paper...

14.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 07:16 pm

Roswitha, I hope you tell everybody who made you delete your cartoons. I believe it was some members' PMs that made her delete them, not the admin's.

For those advocates of freedom - may I draw your attention to the fact, that the cartoons making fun of politics or west do not insult anybody. It is only the ones about Islam that get negative responses and only from Muslims.

15.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 07:34 pm

You are a bully yourself Keith, with your seemingly pro-freedom and pro-justice agenda. I have done nothing wrong neither now nor when I was an admin. You should be very careful before you make such sweeping accusations.
I haven't asked Roswitha to delete her cartoons, per complaints from some people, I only asked her to post less pictures and of smaller size. I even specifically told her not to delete what she already posted, for some reason she did it though!

"open discussion is fine" - wow, what a hypocricy on your part. Put it in your "anti-turkey, anti-islam" thread!

16.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 07:48 pm

Catwoman requests have always been fair and very polite. No doubt about that. Whoever asked her that I should stop posting cartoons, should at least have the courtesy to admit that here on TLC. Waiting.............

17.       KeithL
1455 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:01 pm

Bullying is my adjective, not Roswitha's.
I apologize to Roswitha if this has upset her.

Take out the word bullying and I still stand by the rest...

18.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:06 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Bullying is my adjective, not Roswitha's.
I apologize to Roswitha if this has upset her.

Take out the word bullying and I still stand by the rest...


maybe you'd also like to apologize to me for your offensive accusations???

19.       KeithL
1455 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:21 pm

There are double standards at TC. I don't say this with any malice. Its a simple truth.
I'm not going to be bothered by in it anymore.
I love Turkey
its language
its people
my best friends in the world are muslim even though I am a Christian.
I respect their religion and practices, they respect mine.

I am done seeing the anti-islam club, anti-turk club have their fun everyday. Its just not right or healthy.

If you want to make members respect the rules of this site, than please. Enforce them. All of them. For everybody. Not just the ones you disagree with. Or from the people you don't like.
Otherwise, revise you rules of the site and then your admin enforcement can at least be seen as honest and open.

20.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:37 pm

It is also a bit of a double standard that people can only say nice things about Turkey and/or Islam and not critisize it in any way. I don't want to argue with anyone, but I think we should all feel free to express how we feel as long as it doesn't get nasty ie....name calling and cursing.

21.       teaschip
3870 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:48 pm

I don't understand this double standard thing at all. Because there are discussions that questions Turkey or Islam doesn't make us anti anything. You certainly don't hold back when criticizing your own country Keith. Should I assume your anti-american? As one American to another you could have fooled me. I'm not aware of anyone here saying they dislike the country Turkey, it's language or people. I would like to believe that the majority of people to contrary beliefs are here because they ARE interested in Turkey. Raising questions regarding culture, beliefs doesn't make a person anti anything. I hope you can see this.

22.       KeithL
1455 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:54 pm

I'll agree with both of you here. But, I make one post that correlates to current events, and I am accused of inciting anti-semitism and I was also warned/threatened by Catwoman.
Enjoy your free speech. But I am not free to enjoy mine. So our worlds problem now are also TC problems. I don't apologize...
Are you kidding???

23.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:58 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

I hope you can see this.



That's what we've all been trying to say, TS. With no success, I sense.

24.       adonis
0 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 09:26 pm

Quoting KeithL:

I'll agree with both of you here. But, I make one post that correlates to current events, and I am accused of inciting anti-semitism and I was also warned/threatened by Catwoman.
Enjoy your free speech. But I am not free to enjoy mine. So our worlds problem now are also TC problems. I don't apologize...
Are you kidding???



well dear KeithL, it is very normal to see the double standarts in here. as i said before that those cartoons never suits to some people in this site.

it's very enjoyable for being a puppy of mature ladiez in this site, cuz that person has lost ID.

I am very experienced young man about women.

If a woman has no success or hasn't gained a rank in her real life, she becomes a black widow spider to use men in order to success for her life. if we look through the history windows, we can see many many women who had acted just like this. Puduhepa (Hittite), Theodora (Byzantine Queen), Kösem Sultan (mother of Sultan Murad IV), Hürrem Sultan (wife of Süleyman the Magnificent) etc...

we can increase these examples of course. Consequently, we can see a woman in this site who acts in this way and uses her admin power (cuz of relationship with the admin), if we look at this site carefully.

this site becomes the playground of that woman, and governs this site with her jesters. cuz she needs shoulders to decrease her inferiority complex. owing to the high inferiority complex and not being successful in the life, she becomes a queen of a very very simple website.

"Being Something of Nothing" is the occupation of these kinda women. It's very apparent as u see dear KeithL.

Now, the original vision for the site is being overshadowed. Most of people don't know how far they can go and write everything about slippery and sensitive topics (religion, Turkey, Atatürk, terorism etc..).

this site can't go on this way... I'm hopeful... So KeithL, keep the faith in your heart, it won't let you down..

25.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 09:37 pm

Quoting adonis:


I am very experienced young man about women.



This is the funniest thing I've ever read on this website!

Quoting adonis:


Now, this site is far from it's concept.



This site is about Turkey and thus includes slippery and sensitive topics. It is the ones who cant handle this sensitivity who think they are TOO sensitive to discuss at all. And who think that anyone who is not afraid of talking about them, is consequently against them.

Quoting adonis:


this site can't go on this way...



I totally disagree with you here.

However if we receive multiple complaints, not just from you and KeithL (Keith, please tell me that you didnt agree with the sexist post above either?) , we will reconsider to lock all threads about politics and religion for a while till feelings have cooled down. However, I think the only way to make a sensitive topic discussable, is by discussing it.


Thank you.

26.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 09:42 pm

Quoting KeithL:

I'll agree with both of you here. But, I make one post that correlates to current events, and I am accused of inciting anti-semitism and I was also warned/threatened by Catwoman.
Enjoy your free speech. But I am not free to enjoy mine. So our worlds problem now are also TC problems. I don't apologize...
Are you kidding???


Keith, you asked me what was wrong with your thread about Israel and I told you that this topic is completely out of place on this web site. One thread where you've been discussing this topic has been locked, yet you started another one. I know there were threads about Israel before, but we are going to try to limit discussions about politics, especially when they are completely unrelated to Turkey.
I accused you of inciting anti-semitism only to show the irony of your behavior. You are criticizing what you don't like, but when other people criticize what they don't like, you are accusing them of being anti-islam or anti-turkey! Only by your own logic one could say that you're being anti-semitic.
Then of course the great thing is that you resort to calling me a bully and a lier... quite a personal attack and a nasty one.

27.       adonis
0 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 09:43 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting adonis:


I am very experienced young man about women.



This is the funniest thing I've ever read on this website!



Yes, I'm experienced. What happened?..

28.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 10:08 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:


we will reconsider to lock all threads about politics and religion for a while till feelings have cooled down. However, I think the only way to make a sensitive topic discussable, is by discussing it.


Thank you.



And what do you suppose we will talk about then????? Turkish Language???? Recipes??? We'll be good....please don't lock our threads!!

29.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 10:15 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:


And what do you suppose we will talk about then????? Turkish Language???? Recipes??? We'll be good....please don't lock our threads!!


talk about patlicans (eggplants).
anything is wrong with it. eh?

30.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 10:25 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Elisabeth:


And what do you suppose we will talk about then????? Turkish Language???? Recipes??? We'll be good....please don't lock our threads!!


talk about patlicans (eggplants).
anything is wrong with it. eh?



HANDSOM!!! SHHHHHHH!! We all know what patlicans is code for! Let's not bring it up again.

31.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 12:00 am

Quoting KeithL:

again I ask admin. If you are going to single out Roswitha for cartoons and long posts, I ask you to be consistent and not let any members post cartoons or long posts...



Keith, Please note, this comment This has nothing to do with the content of Roswitha's posts, but rather the ethics of posting other people's works, and the technical mechanics of running a website.

Roswitha has contributed a great deal to information on the forum, and I appreciate that, but I find Roswitha's large graphics take a very long time to load and reformat the page making it hard to read other posts. They also take bandwidth, which costs money. The owners of this forum pay for bandwidth.If something takes a lot of bandwidth, besides costing more $$$, the site can crash....which we have seen here a number of times.

I don't think there is anyone else here who consistantly posts as manylong articles, and since she learned how to post graphics, as many detailed graphics as Roswitha.

As for the long articles, or any items she copies and pastes with no link or credit, most forums have rules regarding this matter. You are allowed a couple of paragraphs, then you are required to post a link to the rest of the article and most definitly credit the author/artist.

Now I am expecting to be flammed for this post.

32.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 01:31 am

Quoting alameda:

Quoting KeithL:

again I ask admin. If you are going to single out Roswitha for cartoons and long posts, I ask you to be consistent and not let any members post cartoons or long posts...



Keith, Please note, this comment This has nothing to do with the content of Roswitha's posts, but rather the ethics of posting other people's works, and the technical mechanics of running a website.

Roswitha has contributed a great deal to information on the forum, and I appreciate that, but I find Roswitha's large graphics take a very long time to load and reformat the page making it hard to read other posts. They also take bandwidth, which costs money. The owners of this forum pay for bandwidth.If something takes a lot of bandwidth, besides costing more $$$, the site can crash....which we have seen here a number of times.

I don't think there is anyone else here who consistantly posts as manylong articles, and since she learned how to post graphics, as many detailed graphics as Roswitha.

As for the long articles, or any items she copies and pastes with no link or credit, most forums have rules regarding this matter. You are allowed a couple of paragraphs, then you are required to post a link to the rest of the article and most definitly credit the author/artist.

Now I am expecting to be flammed for this post.


A few points for alemada's post:
Adding external images, technically, will NOT cause any badwith issue, because those images are not served by turkishclass.com.
So, images added will NOT cost any extra bandwith to tc financially.
If the image width is greater than xxx pixels it will break the html design of the page a bit -so as very long unspaced links/or texts-
Loading a big image into your browsers can be a problem depending on the server's ability and your bandwith (and there might be some more reasons as well)
I would recommend, technically, find your image you want to add and right click on that image then properties and then see what you are adding -check the width dims and the size of image..if an image's width is more than 600 pixels and bigger than 200kb/300kb, i would recommend do not add it.

33.       Aslan
1070 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 01:49 am



Quoting adonis:



well dear KeithL, it is very normal to see the double standarts in here. as i said before that those cartoons never suits to some people in this site.

it's very enjoyable for being a puppy of mature ladiez in this site, cuz that person has lost ID.

I am very experienced young man about women.

If a woman has no success or hasn't gained a rank in her real life, she becomes a black widow spider to use men in order to success for her life. if we look through the history windows, we can see many many women who had acted just like this. Puduhepa (Hittite), Theodora (Byzantine Queen), Kösem Sultan (mother of Sultan Murad IV), Hürrem Sultan (wife of Süleyman the Magnificent) etc...

we can increase these examples of course. Consequently, we can see a woman in this site who acts in this way and uses her admin power (cuz of relationship with the admin), if we look at this site carefully.

this site becomes the playground of that woman, and governs this site with her jesters. cuz she needs shoulders to decrease her inferiority complex. owing to the high inferiority complex and not being successful in the life, she becomes a queen of a very very simple website.

'Being Something of Nothing' is the occupation of these kinda women. It's very apparent as u see dear KeithL.

Now, the original vision for the site is being overshadowed. Most of people don't know how far they can go and write everything about slippery and sensitive topics (religion, Turkey, Atatürk, terorism etc..).

this site can't go on this way... I'm hopeful... So KeithL, keep the faith in your heart, it won't let you down..



...this sexistic conspiracy theory is the most hilarious I have ever read!



34.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 10:36 am

Quoting adonis:



well dear KeithL, it is very normal to see the double standarts in here. as i said before that those cartoons never suits to some people in this site.



Yes, Alameda said it took ages for the page to load. Nobody felt insulted by the content of the cartoons.


Quote:

I am very experienced young man about women.



I can't stop laughing! Please, put it in the jokes thread Oh, and I am very experienced young woman about dogs. I've seen them lol

Quote:

If a woman has no success or hasn't gained a rank in her real life, she becomes a black widow spider to use men in order to success for her life. if we look through the history windows, we can see many many women who had acted just like this. Puduhepa (Hittite), Theodora (Byzantine Queen), Kösem Sultan (mother of Sultan Murad IV), Hürrem Sultan (wife of Süleyman the Magnificent) etc...



So, being a queen or a Sultan's wife or mother is not a very prestigious rank? You know what happens to men who are unsuccessful in life? They become narrow-minded, homophobic, misogynists, rude and tactless. Why do you always say the word 'unsuccessful'? Doing senior year in high school over and over again? A female teacher flunked you? There must be a reason for your hatred towards women. Perhaps you are dominated by a woman in your life and thus have to resort to the Internet to bark your issues with them loud? Well, I am really sorry for you this way or another. A pitiful man is such a sad view...

Quote:

we can increase these examples of course. Consequently, we can see a woman in this site who acts in this way and uses her admin power (cuz of relationship with the admin), if we look at this site carefully.



Yes, she abuses her power, that's why she deletes all your posts and poor you have no chance to speak out the depth of your mind. And DK is also in a relationship with admin, and all the 'mature black widows' too. This site is created in order to make Adonis's blood boil. Oh, Admin is a woman too. A bitter unsuccessful one.

Quote:

this site becomes the playground of that woman, and governs this site with her jesters. cuz she needs shoulders to decrease her inferiority complex. owing to the high inferiority complex and not being successful in the life, she becomes a queen of a very very simple website.

'Being Something of Nothing' is the occupation of these kinda women. It's very apparent as u see dear KeithL.



Yes it is a playground but you're the jester honey. Can't you see? All the unsuccessful women here who spend their lousy pensions on paying Internet bills come here to tease young successful Turkish men. Over all the years since this site was created no man had been foolish enough to be caught into our web. That is BEFORE you. But we knew sooner or later somebody would fall for the trap. lol

Quote:

Now, the original vision for the site is being overshadowed. Most of people don't know how far they can go and write everything about slippery and sensitive topics (religion, Turkey, Atatürk, terorism etc..).



No topic is sensitive if you feel strongly about it. If you're brainwashed and taught not to see bad things then it's your problem. See, few years ago we had a very strict censorship here. Almost every thread was locked if only the word 'religion' appeared. The effect was that nobody would write anything for a few days. people were afraid to talk about anything because they might be censored. There were numerous complaints about The Police of Thought and policy changed. Do realise that not everyone loves being told what to say, do or think.

35.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 01:55 pm

I just want to say that although only Alameda wrote here that she was feeling irritated with the large pictures and many links posted by Roswitha, there were many more people who shared the same feelings.

36.       azade
1606 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 02:30 pm

İ could gather a great deal of members who are annoyed by other specific members/topics/whatever but that doesn't mean they should be 'pushed' into leaving the site. İ am so disappointed in how people are treated differently on this site, how some are allowed to break the rules but some are being told off when they are not breaking any...

37.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 02:33 pm

Oh please Azade, stop this "people are treated differently" drama. That's really a bit overrated... Nobody is treated differently, some people just get more easily offended then others! This is not a hospital to cure people's feelings. This is a place where - you don't like it? - deal with it.

38.       azade
1606 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 02:46 pm

Ok that's your opinion, others are entitled to have theirs and voice it

39.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 02:56 pm

Azade, what do you mean "pushed"? Nobody's told Roswitha to leave this site. Nobody told many other members to do it either. Some members left being insulted by different issues. We are a multinational community, Serbian members got offended by pro-Kosovar posts where they were called murderers. Jewish members got offended by being called "a disgusting nation" women who are non-Muslim experience verbal aggression being called stupid, unsuccessful in life, unjust, biased etc. Some of these members quit TC as well because they were fed up with arguing over the same issues over and over again. Some of them were really aggressive and they were often told that. It seems the only members not really called names are Muslims. You can't compare discussing certain topics to calling names. If you follow the forum, you may see that most members try to be as polite as possible. Unfortunately, there are some "trolls" who cut in and break peace with vulgar language and personal remarks. Yes, it does happen then that sometimes we lose our patience and tease that person in return.

40.       azade
1606 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 02:58 pm

Some are getting on Roswitha's case constantly, thats all Im saying, and she's not even breaking any rules as opposed to the vast majority (including myself).

41.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:00 pm

Quoting azade:

İ could gather a great deal of members who are annoyed by other specific members/topics/whatever but that doesn't mean they should be 'pushed' into leaving the site. İ am so disappointed in how people are treated differently on this site, how some are allowed to break the rules but some are being told off when they are not breaking any...


People make their own choices azade. If they let themselves be “pushed” because they take things personally then that is their issue, not the sites.
Don’t you think if someone REALLY felt so strongly that they were being pushed out……… if they were REALLY so offended by something or someone …..that they post a “goodbye” thread…..that they wouldn’t keep coming back?
No one is forced to log on this site, we all do it of our own free will. And those that are really "pushed out" are on the deleted users list, with a comment other than "user's request"!

42.       azade
1606 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:05 pm

How not to take it personally when one is being singled out over and over again?

Anyway this is a pointless debate

43.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:06 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Azade, what do you mean "pushed"? Nobody's told Roswitha to leave this site. Nobody told many other members to do it either. Some members left being insulted by different issues. We are a multinational community, Serbian members got offended by pro-Kosovar posts where they were called murderers. Jewish members got offended by being called "a disgusting nation" women who are non-Muslim experience verbal aggression being called stupid, unsuccessful in life, unjust, biased etc. Some of these members quit TC as well because they were fed up with arguing over the same issues over and over again. Some of them were really aggressive and they were often told that. It seems the only members not really called names are Muslims. You can't compare discussing certain topics to calling names. If you follow the forum, you may see that most members try to be as polite as possible. Unfortunately, there are some "trolls" who cut in and break peace with vulgar language and personal remarks. Yes, it does happen then that sometimes we lose our patience and tease that person in return.


100% true!

44.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:06 pm

Quoting azade:

Some are getting on Roswitha's case constantly, thats all Im saying, and she's not even breaking any rules as opposed to the vast majority (including myself).



Thats the only point I'm trying to point out. Since Catwoman was the one to listen to all the other members complain about Roswitha all day, she made the decision to notify Roswitha to limit her daily osts, limit her length of posts, limit her cartoons.

The pressure must have been overwhelming for her to come to the conclusion that Roswitha must be stopped, otherwise, she could have just ignored the few messages she got...

45.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:09 pm

There was a time when this site was run by people who were truly interested in positive culture exchange. Now, its just a playtoy for a bored housewoman who enjoys using the site to further her political agenda while she ridicules those she disagrees with.
Enjoy all!!!

46.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:10 pm

God, look how many mother Theresas we have here. Everybody but Roswitha complain about "how she's treated" here!
Maybe you have some other problems you want to talk about Keith? Is there someone insulting Ataturk in Minnesota?

47.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:14 pm

Quoting KeithL:

There was a time when this site was run by people who were truly interested in positive culture exchange. Now, its just a playtoy for a bored housewoman who enjoys using the site to further her political agenda while she ridicules those she disagrees with.
Enjoy all!!!


It's quite lovely when the sexism surfaces among our male members. There could be hundred better reasons then being a bored housewoman who wants to "push her political agenda". You could have done better Keith without getting primitively sexist here. Also, your guesses... are coming from completely wrong directions. What's YOUR point, I wonder? Is it to incite more intercultural hatred or to promote the thing you keep complaining we don't have enough - some mutual understanding. It's the people on the web site that make this web site. You're one of them and you're not a good example of what you're trying to promote.

48.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:14 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Everybody but Roswitha complain about "how she's treated" here!



If these things were not true, I would not say them. Roswitha is my friend and she is the last person here who should be annoyed by frequent "suggestions" from our friendly admin...

49.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:14 pm

Quoting KeithL:


Now, its just a playtoy for a bored housewoman who enjoys using the site to further her political agenda while she ridicules those she disagrees with.
Enjoy all!!!


Oh Keith that is such an "adonis" comment!

50.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:16 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting KeithL:


Now, its just a playtoy for a bored housewoman who enjoys using the site to further her political agenda while she ridicules those she disagrees with.
Enjoy all!!!


Oh Keith that is such an "adonis" comment!



Lets not pretend....This is Catwoman's site. No one else. She is free to uses it and abuse it any way she likes. If the site were ran by a man, my decription would be that of a man...
My only adjective was bored. Hardly sexist.

51.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:17 pm

Quoting KeithL:

If these things were not true, I would not say them. Roswitha is my friend and she is the last person here who should be annoyed by frequent "suggestions" from our friendly admin...


Should I send my pm's to Roswitha through you from now on? Are you her knight? I believe Roswitha can make her own decisions and speak up for herself when she has a problem. We don't need some overzealous old men to speak for her.

52.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:17 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

If these things were not true, I would not say them. Roswitha is my friend and she is the last person here who should be annoyed by frequent "suggestions" from our friendly admin...


Should I send my pm's to Roswitha through you from now on? Are you her knight? I believe Roswitha can make her own decisions and speak up for herself when she has a problem. We don't need some overzealous old men to speak for her.



great idea!!!! we could have kept this civil then...

53.       azade
1606 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:19 pm

Broken record...

54.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:20 pm

Quoting KeithL:

great idea!!!! we could have kept this civil then...


See, if only you had asked me how to solve this problem from the very beginning, I would have told you and saved you some sleepless nights.

55.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:21 pm

Quoting KeithL:


Lets not pretend....This is Catwoman's site. No one else. She is free to uses it and abuse it any way she likes. If the site were ran by a man, my decription would be that of a man...


I think there is only one person here that is pretending. But you already know my thoughts on that.

56.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:23 pm

Quoting catwoman:


I believe Roswitha can make her own decisions and speak up for herself when she has a problem.


A very good point....why aren't we hearing from Roswitha on this matter?

57.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:26 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

great idea!!!! we could have kept this civil then...


See, if only you had asked me how to solve this problem from the very beginning, I would have told you and saved you some sleepless nights.



That and if I had the same opportunity to share my points of view without immediate censorship. It appears my causes are against TC sacred cows. The gay Attaturk, evil islam threads go on for pages and pages. I provide an accurate link on the killings in Palestine to force out British rule and I get warned after 1 posting. So as much as you complain about free press in Turkey, there appears little on American made TC website too.

58.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:30 pm

Quoting KeithL:



If these things were not true, I would not say them. Roswitha is my friend and she is the last person here who should be annoyed by frequent "suggestions" from our friendly admin...



KeithL, I'm sure you can imagine how hard it is to be an admin. Are you implying Roswitha was bullied by admin although she didn't break any rules?

In any normal forum users' suggestions must result in an action taken by an admin/moderator. If there were complaints about her posts, what do you think an admin should do? I can imagine it is hard for some members to wait till all the cartoons download although, personally, I prefer posted cartoons to links.

You mustn't blame the admin for Roswitha's decision. Do you know how many users get PMs from the admin? You don't as it is not made public. Roswitha was not the only one. Besides, Catwoman explained it so many times, it is about time you let it go.

I don't think the fact that some users felt uncomfortable with her posts should make her go away. Some of her posts started great discussions and some cartoons were absolutely brilliant.

And that sexist comment was really low...

59.       libralady
5152 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:31 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:


I believe Roswitha can make her own decisions and speak up for herself when she has a problem.


A very good point....why aren't we hearing from Roswitha on this matter?



Perhaps she wishes to remain silent and is her perogative.

60.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:32 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Lets not pretend....This is Catwoman's site. No one else. She is free to uses it and abuse it any way she likes.


What is it that I'm abusing? Please, enlighten me, I'll be glad to change my horrible ways. I'm not deleting people, I'm not locking threads, I'm only expressing my opinions when there's a discussion. What's so unacceptable and abusive (bullying or lier) by asking Roswitha to post less pictures of smaller size (which has been people's frustration for a long time)?

Quoting KeithL:

If the site were ran by a man, my decription would be that of a man...
My only adjective was bored. Hardly sexist.


Yeah right. Why are you saying things that are false and just looking for ways to insult me? Yes, very sexist. Your "guess" that I'm a bored housewoman is a typical sick, sexist offense line. And the primary reason why it's sexist is that you're using this to insult me and not because there's any truth in this. I'm neither bored nor a housewoman. Exactly the opposite.

61.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:35 pm

If calling a woman bored is sexist, then I need new sensitivity training.
Equal treatment and equal enforcemnet of site rules. That is my only point...

62.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:38 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

admin's request to roswitha..


No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that?



This post was untrue. You were the one to send roswitha PM's telling here what she could and could not do. In a black and white world, this was not truthful...

63.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:39 pm

Quoting KeithL:

That and if I had the same opportunity to share my points of view without immediate censorship. It appears my causes are against TC sacred cows. The gay Attaturk, evil islam threads go on for pages and pages. I provide an accurate link on the killings in Palestine to force out British rule and I get warned after 1 posting. So as much as you complain about free press in Turkey, there appears little on American made TC website too.


Ok, so I see that your real frustration is that I called you anti-semitic and I told you that you shouldn't start that new thread about Palestine. I already explained this to you. Here it is again:

Quoting catwoman:

Keith, you asked me what was wrong with your thread about Israel and I told you that this topic is completely out of place on this web site. One thread where you've been discussing this topic has been locked, yet you started another one. I know there were threads about Israel before, but we are going to try to limit discussions about politics, especially when they are completely unrelated to Turkey.
I accused you of inciting anti-semitism only to show the irony of your behavior. You are criticizing what you don't like, but when other people criticize what they don't like, you are accusing them of being anti-islam or anti-turkey! Only by your own logic one could say that you're being anti-semitic.
Then of course the great thing is that you resort to calling me a bully and a lier... quite a personal attack and a nasty one.




By the way, previous/other moderators/admins were locking threads and deleting people without any explanation. Whenever I have a problem with a thread I explain that first. Yet, you are calling me a lier and a bully.

64.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:39 pm

Quoting KeithL:

If calling a woman bored is sexist, then I need new sensitivity training.
Equal treatment and equal enforcemnet of site rules. That is my only point...


Have you read my explanation? Did you understand it?

65.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:40 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

admin's request to roswitha..


No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that?



This post was untrue. You were the one to send roswitha PM's telling here what she could and could not do. In a black and white world, this was not truthful...


I am not an admin, when you say "admin", that means the actual admin.

66.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:41 pm

Quoting KeithL:

If calling a woman bored is sexist, then I need new sensitivity training.



It's not the words, it's how you use them. Don't pretend not to mean what you meant.

Quote:

Equal treatment and equal enforcemnet of site rules. That is my only point...



In what way are the rules unequal? Your post on Israeli was closed because it had nothing to do with Turkey, besides, the other thread about the same subject is still open. Post whatever you want there if you want.

Post whatever opinion you like about Turkey, praise it or criticise it, do you think your thread will be locked? Sure, you may find opinions different to yours but it has nothing to do with equality, it's the freedom of speech.

67.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:41 pm

Quoting libralady:


Perhaps she wishes to remain silent and is her perogative.


Of course it is her perogative but I can't be the only one wondering exactly what this is all about....exactly how people KNEW that Ros was "personally requested to delete" her pictures.
I think catwoman was very clear in what she said to Ros about her posts and obviously she recieved enough pm's to ask Ros to make some adjustments....NOT to delete what she had already posted.

68.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:42 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

admin's request to roswitha..


No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that?



This post was untrue. You were the one to send roswitha PM's telling here what she could and could not do. In a black and white world, this was not truthful...


I am not an admin, when you say "admin", that means the actual admin.



I would call that splitting hairs. Owner with admin priveleges...

69.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:43 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Equal treatment and equal enforcemnet of site rules. That is my only point...


If you are for equal treatment, then why haven't you started a thread asking for adonis to be deleted for his constant abusive language?

70.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:44 pm

Quoting KeithL:


This post was untrue. You were the one to send roswitha PM's telling here what she could and could not do. In a black and white world, this was not truthful...


How do you know this keith? What is your proof in making the accusations you have made?
You are saying some terrible things without giving any evidence. Don't you think you should back it up?

71.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:46 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting libralady:


Perhaps she wishes to remain silent and is her perogative.


Of course it is her perogative but I can't be the only one wondering exactly what this is all about....exactly how people KNEW that Ros was "personally requested to delete" her pictures.
I think catwoman was very clear in what she said to Ros about her posts and obviously she recieved enough pm's to ask Ros to make some adjustments....NOT to delete what she had already posted.



You would think so! Apparently KeithL cannot understand it and still believes Cat told Rosie to delete her posts and stop posting at all. Now how to explain it to him so that he understood finally?

72.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:47 pm

Quoting KeithL:

I would call that splitting hairs. Owner with admin priveleges...


maybe next time you want to be clear on who you're talking about before you make your accusations. I wonder what other people would think when you say "admin requested xyz"... :-S

73.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:55 pm

Whats the mystery here? catwoman admitted sending the PM's to Roswitha. Her reasoning for sending them was complaints from other members. This is all in the open.

74.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:55 pm

and which is the greater insult? Being called bored or an anti-semite???

75.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:56 pm

Catwoman never disclosed to me the names of the persons who pmed her about this issue,Keith.

76.       KeithL
1455 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:57 pm

Quoting Roswitha:

Catwoman never disclosed to me the names of the persons who pmed her about this issue,Keith.



I'm not saying who the members were. I am only saying it was catwomans selective enforcement. The message to Roswitha was handed down from one person.

77.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:59 pm

KeithL how can you call it selective? I asked you before if you had known how many members are PMed by admin or mods? On what grounds do you assume Roswitha was the only one?

78.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 04:00 pm

Quoting KeithL:

and which is the greater insult? Being called bored or an anti-semite???


what's worse, being called anti-islam, anti-turkish, bored housewoman, bully and a lier, or an anti-semite?

to be precise, I haven't even called you an anti-semite, I asked if your goal was to incite anti-semitism:

Quoting catwoman:

Exactly. I think we've had enough threads here about Israel, a topic clearly out of place on this web site. What is your point Keith? To incite more anti-semitism?

79.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 04:17 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Whats the mystery here? catwoman admitted sending the PM's to Roswitha. Her reasoning for sending them was complaints from other members. This is all in the open.


The mystery is that you said she was asked to delete her posts. And clearly, from your comment, you were told that by Ros herself.

Quoting KeithL:


ask roswitha, I don't think Roswitha would lie to me.....


Isn't that why you started this thread? Because you were told by Ros that she was told to delete her posts?
And didn't cat clearly state what her comments to Ros were?
You are taking one side here and completely dismissing any evidence to the contrary.

80.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 04:25 pm

Here's my PM to Roswitha:



Hi Roswitha, some people brought to my attention that you are posting many pictures that are large, take a lot of time to upload and slow down the site.

I would really like to ask you to try to do such things with moderation. Every once in a while, it may be useful, but I think you've been posting them a lot lately.

Thank you.

81.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 06:31 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Elisabeth:


And what do you suppose we will talk about then????? Turkish Language???? Recipes??? We'll be good....please don't lock our threads!!


talk about (eggplants).
anything is wrong with it. eh?



I protest!!! I am allergic to eggplants and don't want to hear about them. My mouth is now getting that fuzzy itchy feeling. No talk about eggplant (aka aubergine or brinjal Solanum melongena). How dare you????

(you do know this is said with humor?)

82.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 06:52 pm

Quoting alameda:

I protest!!! I am allergic to eggplants and don't want to hear about them. My mouth is now getting that fuzzy itchy feeling. No talk about eggplant (aka aubergine or brinjal Solanum melongena). How dare you????

(you do know this is said with humor?)


Hahahahahah, well - I knew it was said with humor because it maked me laugh! lol lol lol

83.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 09:15 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Here's my PM to Roswitha:



Hi Roswitha, some people brought to my attention that you are posting many pictures that are large, take a lot of time to upload and slow down the site.

I would really like to ask you to try to do such things with moderation. Every once in a while, it may be useful, but I think you've been posting them a lot lately.

Thank you.




OFFFFF HOW DARE YOU!!!

84.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Mar 2008 Fri 12:51 am

Quoting adonis:


this site becomes the playground of that woman, and governs this site with her jesters.



I said something similar a few months ago pretending a group of members, it seems nothing changed here.

85.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Mar 2008 Fri 01:02 am

Quoting armegon:

Quoting adonis:


this site becomes the playground of that woman, and governs this site with her jesters.



I said something similar a few months ago pretending a group of members, it seems nothing changed here.


it was wrong a few months ago and it is wrong now too...

86.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Mar 2008 Fri 12:08 pm

Quoting armegon:

Quoting adonis:


this site becomes the playground of that woman, and governs this site with her jesters.



I said something similar a few months ago pretending a group of members, it seems nothing changed here.



Jeysus and they still go on about one and the same. Boys, hold your horses. Google for something more original cause you're getting tedious...

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