In Holland - and many muslim countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Indonesia - there were protests about the movie of an MP called Wilders, a right wing politician. His thoughts about islam are very biased and he said many horrible things (in my view). Yesterday, after months of protest and discussion worldwide, this 'movie' was launched on a website called Liveleak.com

What I'm curious about is, if this movie was mentioned in Turkish news (newspapers, radio, television) and what Turkish people think about it.

Want to see it for yourself?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

I wanted to post this movie too, but as an administrator I decided not to post it, before I give people the feeling I support this film.

I expected much more from it, after all the commotion we have had in the media. However, it was just a compilation of images we have all seen before. Wilders could have reached so many people with this video, so many people could make a good sollution. But he didn't. The result isnt that bad, its not disrespectful or insulting as I thought it would be. Yet it is bad party-propaganda that we really dont need. It is one-sided, ill-informed and misleading. All who agree/support this film, believe the fundamentalistic Islam, to be the true Islam. I would not want to agree with a fundementalist..

Sounds interesting..I will have to view it for myself.

Just some additional info:

The Danish cartoonist has started a case against Wilders, for using his cartoon out of context. His cartoon was against Islamic extremists, not the Islam itself, so it was used wrongly and without permission.

The picture that is shown to be Muhammad Bouyeri, the murdered of film maker Theo Van Gogh, is wrong. It is a picture of the Dutch rapper Salah Edin. I wonder how Wilders could make such a mistake :-S It just means he sees every Maroccan as a potential Islamic murderer..

At last, in the end it shows pictures of blooded children. Today I read in the train-newspaper that these are not pictures of violence, as they seem to be, but they are a celebration among Muslims where the kids are deliberatly covered in blood or red liquids..

I was really laughing out loud when I heard these things on TV, about him plagiarising and using the wrong pic!

And indeed, this morning it also said that people were thinking about changing 'islam' into 'ku klux klan', coz then it would be exactly the same against christianity..

I'm glad Al-jazeera made clear this film does not represent the Dutch view of Islam at all, and that our prime minister actually said he didn't agree that this film was made public..

I think it is fine that it was published, especially since it is not a 'wrong' film. Only the last few seconds are his own thoughts, the other ones, eventhough monitored with certain purposes, are statements from other people, not from Wilders.

But yes, this is definitely NOT the viewpoint of the Dutch population! I think this film is rather a laugh, considering what attention Wilders gave to it. Besides that, it is just a miserable compilation to divide the Dutch people.

Well, for those interested: you cannot see the movie anymore on the Liveleak link from the first post. The movie has been taken of the website after serious threats towards staff of Liveleak. It's sad - whatever you think of this film - that this happened.

ohh poor you u cant offend us now((

Yes, Yes, None of you want to offend turkish ppl. maybe u are trying to make us stronger, that s why u post some videos. but if I see myself stronger, I can watch some of them on youtube. but thanks anyway.

What has all this got to do with Turkish politics?

I wondered the same. Have been looking for an appropriate forum to move the thread to, but couldn't really decide and then it was breakfast time I thought living-working in Turkey is the 'best' choice, as it's not really off-topic either? Anyway, your pick, since you moderate Politics forum

so what does what these imams tell prove??? I live in America and most of the people don`t hesitate to throw out sick ideas like that America should nuke mid east? and when I oppose, they say that there is freedom of speech in America. If I said we should nuke America, I would land in guantanamo to spend rest of my life in a very civilized torture cell. See, freedom of speech doesn`t apply to everybody.

Now why doesn`t Wilders (btw, this man looks disgustingly funny whith his dyed hair, what a character!) show these "ultra-civilized" western people in his movie too.

This is how the dirty western-christian propaganda works. those who call Muslims terrorists for al qaida killed 5000 Christians, don`t even care about hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by the Christians in Iraq. So who is actually terrorist???

the crusaders who killed tens of millions of Muslims for nothing were the biggest terrorists of all times. Their descendants genocided the Incas, Mayas, Indian Americans, Jews, Algerians, murdered millions of Africans, Bosnians, Turks(yes Turks... though you will never hear about it in the West, millions of Turkish civilians got murdered in the WW1 in the Balkans and in the eastern Anatolia by the Armenians. Later on, thousands of Turks got killed by Stalin), but this doesn`t make you stop you calling yourself civilized and us uncivilized.









So Delikizin or whatever, are you from Holland???

Have you ever been treated like a dog in Turkey for being Dutch? If you had been, you would call us uncivilized for sure. But I was treated like a dog (even worse) in the schiphol airport two years ago just because I had a Turkish passport, and I was there just to take a connecting flight to America. Now what should I call you???


So briefly, this movie of Wilders ( did I mention that he looks disgusting ) is just a good example of the western bigotry and hypocracy.

Go ahead call me a terrorist (though Im not a Muslim)

well, in this case your being a Dutch Turk doesn`t make any difference because I was talking about the westerners in general.

Thanks for the welcome


I`m from Sivas with apparent redneck features, so that makes me an easterner definitely