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What is pan-Turanianism?
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 12:21 pm |
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Quoting incişka: Türkiyeli!!! That's what I want in Turkey!!! So no any ethnic people will be uncomfortable with it. Not Türk first, but Türkiyeli first. I dont mean to assimilate minorities, I always support them, but I think they should support Türkiye too. a lot to be done  |
+10000
and yessss. "A lot to be done"
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 02:50 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting incişka: Türkiyeli!!! That's what I want in Turkey!!! So no any ethnic people will be uncomfortable with it. Not Türk first, but Türkiyeli first. I dont mean to assimilate minorities, I always support them, but I think they should support Türkiye too. a lot to be done |
sekerim, try to learn what is happening in other countries to minorities...
in greece, it is forbidden to use ''Turkish'' name in any association...there were really strict rules and punishment if someone use it...so it has been like that before their EU membership or later...They call all Turkish who live in greece as a muslim greeks...So before talking about that subject, compare with other countries ...
in Turkey every nations have right to use their language for ages, even ppl refuse it...yes other languages are not official language in education etc..., it is true and have to be like that coz u have to know language of the country where u lived for continuing education...it is also same in USA,UK or any other country...
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sekerim, try to learn what is happening in other countries to minorities...
in greece, it is forbidden to use ''Turkish'' name in any association...there were really strict rules and punishment if someone use it...so it has been like that before their EU membership or later...They call all Turkish who live in greece as a muslim greeks...So before talking about that subject, compare with other countries ...
in Turkey every nations have right to use their language for ages, even ppl refuse it...yes other languages are not official language in education etc..., it is true and have to be like that coz u have to know language of the country where u lived for continuing education...it is also same in USA,UK or any other country...
u should read it again ,again,again
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 02:51 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta:
sekerim, try to learn what is happening in other countries to minorities...
in greece, it is forbidden to use ''Turkish'' name in any association...there were really strict rules and punishment if someone use it...so it has been like that before their EU membership or later...They call all Turkish who live in greece as a muslim greeks...So before talking about that subject, compare with other countries ...
in Turkey every nations have right to use their language for ages, even ppl refuse it...yes other languages are not official language in education etc..., it is true and have to be like that coz u have to know language of the country where u lived for continuing education...it is also same in USA,UK or any other country...
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Sorry, but what does this have to with my post? I didnt say the minorities cant have their names in their own languages or use their languages in public. I know they can do that. My only point was that "we should use the term "Türkiyeli" instead of "Türk" primarily. If I were a kurd or something else (btw I am Tatar) I wouldnt like to say "Ben Türk'üm. But rather say " Ben Türkiyeliyim" "Ben Türkiyeli bir Kürdüm or Tatarım".
And we dont need to compare our country to any other countries to realize this. We have our own brains and can decide what is good and what is bad.
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:03 pm |
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Quoting incişka: Quoting Lapinkulta:
sekerim, try to learn what is happening in other countries to minorities...
in greece, it is forbidden to use ''Turkish'' name in any association...there were really strict rules and punishment if someone use it...so it has been like that before their EU membership or later...They call all Turkish who live in greece as a muslim greeks...So before talking about that subject, compare with other countries ...
in Turkey every nations have right to use their language for ages, even ppl refuse it...yes other languages are not official language in education etc..., it is true and have to be like that coz u have to know language of the country where u lived for continuing education...it is also same in USA,UK or any other country...
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Sorry, but what does this have to with my post? I didnt say the minorities cant have their names in their own languages or use their languages in public. I know they can do that. My only point was that "we should use the term "Türkiyeli" instead of "Türk" primarily. If I were a kurd or something else (btw I am Tatar) I wouldnt like to say "Ben Türk'üm. But rather say " Ben Türkiyeliyim" "Ben Türkiyeli bir Kürdüm or Tatarım".
And we dont need to compare our country to any other countries to realize this. We have our own brains and can decide what is good and what is bad. |
u are tatar,and u say these..so please read about your history and what did russian to your nations coz of their natinoality...then dont compare your history with minorities in TR...
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:07 pm |
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Quoting incişka: Türkiyeli!!! That's what I want in Turkey!!! So no any ethnic people will be uncomfortable with it. Not Türk first, but Türkiyeli first. I dont mean to assimilate minorities, I always support them, but I think they should support Türkiye too. a lot to be done |
There is nothing wrong with saying of 'Turkiyeli' inciska.
Even if not now, in the future people will be calling themselves Turkiyeli. It is inevitable basically.
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:12 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting incişka: Quoting Lapinkulta:
sekerim, try to learn what is happening in other countries to minorities...
in greece, it is forbidden to use ''Turkish'' name in any association...there were really strict rules and punishment if someone use it...so it has been like that before their EU membership or later...They call all Turkish who live in greece as a muslim greeks...So before talking about that subject, compare with other countries ...
in Turkey every nations have right to use their language for ages, even ppl refuse it...yes other languages are not official language in education etc..., it is true and have to be like that coz u have to know language of the country where u lived for continuing education...it is also same in USA,UK or any other country...
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Sorry, but what does this have to with my post? I didnt say the minorities cant have their names in their own languages or use their languages in public. I know they can do that. My only point was that "we should use the term "Türkiyeli" instead of "Türk" primarily. If I were a kurd or something else (btw I am Tatar) I wouldnt like to say "Ben Türk'üm. But rather say " Ben Türkiyeliyim" "Ben Türkiyeli bir Kürdüm or Tatarım".
And we dont need to compare our country to any other countries to realize this. We have our own brains and can decide what is good and what is bad. |
u are tatar,and u say these..so please read about your history and what did russian to your nations coz of their natinoality...then dont compare your history with minorities in TR... |
sekerim, olmazsa tatar vatan batar
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:13 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta:
u are tatar,and u say these..so please read about your history and what did russian to your nations coz of their natinoality...then dont compare your history with minorities in TR... |
The only thing I can tell u is that " you are very good at missing the main points!!!" 
Am I talking about history here? Am I talking about how bad the minorities were treated in any country? Or talking what did Russians do to my ancestors?
I am just saying that "we all have to be "TÃœRKİYELİ" for the good of this country!!!! OFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!! Is that wrong? Should Kurds say "I am not a Turk so I dont belong to Turkey, so I should get my own territory apart from Turkey"? I am trying to say how we can stop this kind of opinion. And calling everybody "Türkiyeli" first can help. And if still they want they can say I am Türkiyeli Kürd or something like that! But always the title "Türkiyeli" should come before all ethnicities including Turks too. If you still dont get it, I have nothing to say.... 
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:15 pm |
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I will add again the poem written by Bulent Ecevit..
PÃœLÃœMÃœRÃœN YAŞSIZ KADINI
Pülümürün bir dağ köyünde gördüm onu
yaşını sordum bir giz gibi güldü
kimi seksen dedi köylülerden kimi yüz
yüzüne baktım bir giz gibi güldü
bir asa vardı elinde
bir solmuş kırallığın
kadifeden harmanisi üzerinde
bir hititliydi o bir selçukluydu
bir ermeniydi bir kürttü
bir türk
yaşını sordum bir giz gibi güldü
koluma girdi bir soylu kadınca
tozlu köy yolunda sürüyerek eteğini
beni tek gözlü sarayına götürdü
köy yapısı kulübesinin
zamanı onda yitirdim ben
yitik zamanlara onda eriştim
en soylu yoksulluğun toprak döşeli sarayında
bir taç gibi kondu başıma Türkiyeliliğim
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:18 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta:
sekerim, olmazsa tatar vatan batar |
Saol. Kendini bi şey sanan tatarların uydurduğu güzel bi söz bu. Ne yaptığımız var ki? Çoğumuz kendi dilimizi bile konuşamıyoruz doğru düzgün. Dili unutmak iyi değil tabi ama biz Tatarlar "Türkiyeli" olmayı az çok başardık sanırım.
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:19 pm |
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Can someone please translate "Turkiyeli" into English? Do they have a similar word in Germany, Italy, or France???
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30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:20 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: I will add again the poem written by Bulent Ecevit..
PÃœLÃœMÃœRÃœN YAŞSIZ KADINI
Pülümürün bir dağ köyünde gördüm onu
yaşını sordum bir giz gibi güldü
kimi seksen dedi köylülerden kimi yüz
yüzüne baktım bir giz gibi güldü
bir asa vardı elinde
bir solmuş kırallığın
kadifeden harmanisi üzerinde
bir hititliydi o bir selçukluydu
bir ermeniydi bir kürttü
bir türk
yaşını sordum bir giz gibi güldü
koluma girdi bir soylu kadınca
tozlu köy yolunda sürüyerek eteğini
beni tek gözlü sarayına götürdü
köy yapısı kulübesinin
zamanı onda yitirdim ben
yitik zamanlara onda eriştim
en soylu yoksulluğun toprak döşeli sarayında
bir taç gibi kondu başıma Türkiyeliliğim
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Tek kelime: Mükemmel!!! Excellent!! Thanx for posting!
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