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Progressive Muslim Women
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 11:41 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Tamikidakika, I don't want to see another post of yours like that! You are entitled to your opinion, obviously, but no need to bash like that. CW post is a normal one, not a hatred carrying post. Yours, on the contrary, is. |
cool, so is it me who is bashing people? Do you have anything to say about this statement; "If you know of some other progressive Muslim women, let us know!"
Is this what you call a "normal post"?
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 11:42 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer: She wasn't president according to Wikipedia - she was a Prime Minister, that's a bit different... |
Its possible I said the wrong name.. Tansu Çiller however is the first who came to my mind.
Quoting Daydreamer:
And I don't think Cat is laughing at that person. Actually I am absolutely sure she isn't, I know her well enough to say it. |
+1
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 11:46 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer: She wasn't president according to Wikipedia - she was a Prime Minister, that's a bit different...
And I don't think Cat is laughing at that person. Actually I am absolutely sure she isn't, I know her well enough to say it. |
we don`t vote for the president in Turkey. The equivalent of "president" in Turkey is prime minister, and that`s the uppermost person people can elect.
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 11:47 am |
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What is wrong with asking about that? I think it's great to show any examples of women who objected to tradition and wanted to pursue their own career. If a woman coming from a strictly traditional family wants to do something for herself, it's admirable that she has enough strength to do it. It is as admirable as black women refusing to sit at the end of a bus or women who chained themselves to the gates of White House to demand the right of vote.
I don't see why talking about a progressive Muslim woman would be sarcastic.
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 11:50 am |
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Quoting tamikidakika:
we don`t vote for the president in Turkey. The equivalent of "president" in Turkey is prime minister, and that`s the uppermost person people can elect. |
Wiki says "Prime Minister must be elected by majority of votes in the Grand National Assembly of Turkey along with other members of the Cabinet of Turkey." So, do citizens vote for Prime Minister or for the party that later elects a Prime Minister? If the latter then Poland did have a female Prime Minister as well.
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 12:01 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting tamikidakika:
we don`t vote for the president in Turkey. The equivalent of "president" in Turkey is prime minister, and that`s the uppermost person people can elect. |
Wiki says "Prime Minister must be elected by majority of votes in the Grand National Assembly of Turkey along with other members of the Cabinet of Turkey." So, do citizens vote for Prime Minister or for the party that later elects a Prime Minister? If the latter then Poland did have a female Prime Minister as well. |
People vote for the party, and the leader of that party becomes prime minister if he/she can get the approval of the congress after the elections.
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 12:03 pm |
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So it's the same in Poland. Women Prime Minister Poland vs Turkey 1:1 
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 12:06 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: So it's the same in Poland. Women Prime Minister Poland vs Turkey 1:1 |
As I said, the equivalence of prime minister in Turkey is president in most of the other countries including Poland, because in Poland the president is chosen directly by people. So its still 1:0
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 12:10 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting Daydreamer: So it's the same in Poland. Women Prime Minister Poland vs Turkey 1:1 |
As I said, the equivalence of prime minister in Turkey is president in most of the other countries including Poland, because in Poland the president is chosen directly by people. So its still 1:0 |
Actually you said people choose the party, not the person. So it is the same 
Turks choose the party
Poles choose the party
Turkish Party appoints the Prime Minister
Polish Party appoints the Prime Minister
It is exactly the same. If prime Minister in Turkey was subject to public elections, the matter would be different
Still 1:1 to me
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 12:18 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Still 1:1 to me |
That's all nice and well, but I'm ashamed to say that such a progressive country as the Netherlands, has never had a female prime minister  We may have a queen, but that is just a formality, so no woman has ever had the political power. There is even a party (SGP) that doesn't allow women to be a full member. The Netherlands stopped financially supporting this party because it doesnt give women the same rights as men. As a reaction, they made a declaration, but again the political power remained in the hands of men. I can't believe such a thing is possible. Their ideology is to make a theocracy of the Netherlands
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21 Jun 2008 Sat 12:19 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting Daydreamer: So it's the same in Poland. Women Prime Minister Poland vs Turkey 1:1 |
As I said, the equivalence of prime minister in Turkey is president in most of the other countries including Poland, because in Poland the president is chosen directly by people. So its still 1:0 |
Actually you said people choose the party, not the person. So it is the same
Turks choose the party
Poles choose the party
Turkish Party appoints the Prime Minister
Polish Party appoints the Prime Minister
It is exactly the same. If prime Minister in Turkey was subject to public elections, the matter would be different
Still 1:1 to me |
It`s not exactly the same. The difference is, The poles have never voted for a woman for the uppermost position the y could elect. The Turks did.
and voting for the party or its leader doesn`t make any difference, at least in Turkey. Baykal for example has been the leader of CHP since the 80`s. It`s a static situation, it doesn`t change.
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