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10.       hedef
363 posts
 11 Jul 2008 Fri 06:50 pm

I think
1. the verb is " götürdüm"
2. the active member is me "ben"
i hope this is correct

11.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Sep 2008 Mon 06:35 am

1. Götürmek is the verb

2. Ben is the subject ´özne´

Doğru mu ?

 

Btw,İsim and Fiil has another name in sentence structure in Turkish,something starting with y i guess,do you know what is it ?

12.       erdinc
2151 posts
 08 Sep 2008 Mon 01:25 pm

isim : noun

fiil: verb

yüklem : predicate

 

The subject and predicate are the main two components of sentences. The reason why we prefer to call it predicate is because in Turkish the predicate doesn´t have to be a verb. It can be a noun or adjective. 

 

Example.

 

Ben okula gidiyorum. > verb sentence. The predicate is ´gidiyorum´.

Ben öğrenciyim. > noun sentence. The predicate is ´öğrenciyim´. 

 

In the last sentence öğrenciyim has a suffix. It has the -im suffix. Some people have argued that this -im corresponds to "to be" in English. This is not correct. The -im in öğrenciyim is a personal suffix. In fact it is the same personal suffix we see in gidiyorum. Noun sentences share the same personal suffixes with present continuous tense and future tense.

 

Smillarly, we would say,  "Sen okula gidiyor musun?" and "Sen öğrenci misin?".

13.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Sep 2008 Mon 04:38 pm

 

Quoting erdinc

isim : noun

fiil: verb

yüklem : predicate

 

 

 

 As i understand,the sentence consist of,

Özne,nesne,yüklem

İ also understand that the sentence can have more than more one object ´nesne´,yes ?

How,and when ?

14.       lady in red
6947 posts
 08 Sep 2008 Mon 05:49 pm

 

Quoting erdinc

isim : noun

fiil: verb

yüklem : predicate

 

The subject and predicate are the main two components of sentences. The reason why we prefer to call it predicate is because in Turkish the predicate doesn´t have to be a verb. It can be a noun or adjective.

 

Example.

 

Ben okula gidiyorum. > verb sentence. The predicate is ´gidiyorum´.

Ben öğrenciyim. > noun sentence. The predicate is ´öğrenciyim´.

 

In the last sentence öğrenciyim has a suffix. It has the -im suffix. Some people have argued that this -im corresponds to "to be" in English. This is not correct. The -im in öğrenciyim is a personal suffix. In fact it is the same personal suffix we see in gidiyorum. Noun sentences share the same personal suffixes with present continuous tense and future tense.

 

Smillarly, we would say,  "Sen okula gidiyor musun?" and "Sen öğrenci misin?".

This is the same in English:

 

Predicate:


A simple sentence can be divided into two parts; the subject and the predicate, which is the verb and any complement of the verb, which can include the object, adverbial,etc..

 

Subject Predicate:eg  She laughed.  She wrote a book.

 

15.       CANLI
5084 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 03:22 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 As i understand,the sentence consist of,

Özne,nesne,yüklem

İ also understand that the sentence can have more than more one object ´nesne´,yes ?

How,and when ?

 

 here,

 

Quoting erdinc

-i is the accusative case. The accusative case is used in many situations. This is one of them. Plural generic direct objects take the accusative case.

 

Direct object: This means there is a verb that applies to the object itself. These verbs are also called transitive verbs. In other words, we are not doing something with an object. We are doing something to an object.

 

Accusative case: -ı, i, u, ü takes -y buffer if needed

 

The second object,does it also take the accusative case ?

That means,the transitive verbs applies to more than 2 object   ?

 

 

 

16.       erdinc
2151 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 04:07 am

Canlı, I didn´t understand your question. Can you write down the sentence or sentences you are asking about?

 

Subject and predicate are two of the main components of sentences but the third (and last) component is called tümleç (complement). I´m not sure if there is a better translation for tümleç. Tümleç consists of four different elements. The object is only one of them. Besides this is only true for verb sentences. In noun sentences there is no object at all.

 

I see that you are trying to understand the accusative case. I´m not sure if sentence components are a good way for this. Sentence components are too complicated in Turkish.

 

 

 

17.       CANLI
5084 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 05:25 am

 

Quoting erdinc

Canlı, I didn´t understand your question. Can you write down the sentence or sentences you are asking about?

 

İnsanlar arasındaki iletisimde ,hem sözlü hem de sözsüz mesajlaru aynı anda kullanırız.İki kişinin konuşmadan birbirleriyle iletişim kurması birbirini anlamaya çalışması zordur,ama olanaksız değildir.Aslında konuşmalarımızda sözlü mesajlar,mesaj alış verişinin ancak küçük bir bölümünü oluşturur.

  

This for example is part of text ´reading´ we have,teacher said its better if we practice how to define ö,n,y of the sentences in this level ´even its not required from us´ so,it will be more easier in the advanced level.

And he said that,note that the sentence may contain more than one nesne ´object´ !

 

İ can define y and n ´a bit easy´ and strugle my way to define the object ´nesne´ but the second object,i fail to get it or understand how can the sentence contains 2 object.

 

How can a verb apply to more than 1 thing at same time ?

18.       erdinc
2151 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 06:51 am

You can put a comma or any conjunction between objects. So at the end you will have an object phrase with multiple objects. For instance you could say, "I have seen Ayşe and Ahmet". "Ayşe and Ahmet" will be the object phrase. A verb might apply to more than one item. 

 

The sentence below has five components. Can you identify three of them (predicate, subject, object) ? 

 

"İnsanlar arasındaki iletisimde, hem sözlü hem de sözsüz mesajları aynı anda kullanırız."

19.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 03:16 pm

1-özne, isim, zamir, nesne : subject, noun, prenoun, object

2-fiil, yüklem : verb, predicate

3-tümleç : complement

 

Ben  Shanghai´ ya gittim ( I went to Shanghai- China- ).

 

1-Ben = subject, noun, prenoun, object .... ( I )

3-Shanghai´ ya : complement...  (to Shanghai)

2-gittim : verb, predicate ,,,( go - went - gone )...- to go = gitmek- ... ( went )

 

...first step to Turkish grammar...

20.       CANLI
5084 posts
 10 Sep 2008 Wed 04:16 am

 

Quoting erdinc

 

The sentence below has five components. Can you identify three of them (predicate, subject, object) ? 

 

"İnsanlar arasındaki iletisimde, hem sözlü hem de sözsüz mesajları aynı anda kullanırız."

 

 Özne :biz/insanlar

Yüklem:Kullanmak

Nesne:sözlü /sözsüz mesajları

Those are 2 objects,like Ayşa and Ahmet,yes ?

 

İf those were right,then what is the last component?

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