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20.       CANLI
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 09 Sep 2008 Tue 09:16 pm

 

Quoting erdinc

 

The sentence below has five components. Can you identify three of them (predicate, subject, object) ? 

 

"İnsanlar arasındaki iletisimde, hem sözlü hem de sözsüz mesajları aynı anda kullanırız."

 

 Özne :biz/insanlar

Yüklem:Kullanmak

Nesne:sözlü /sözsüz mesajları

Those are 2 objects,like Ayşa and Ahmet,yes ?

 

İf those were right,then what is the last component?

21.       CANLI
4132 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 09:25 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-7

 

 ben  shanghai´ ya gittim

 

 Özne : Ben

Yüklem : Gitmek

 

And shanghai ?

Btw,is it called this way in Turkish ?

22.       erdinc
2152 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 09:53 pm

 

 

Canlı, I knew you would ask about the other components. This is why I suggested this topic is too complicated. I can´t even find an English term for one of the main components. Besides many verb sentences don´t have any object at all. Also all noun sentences exclude objects. I don´t think this is a verb useful topic for learners.  

 

The subject is biz. It is not insanlar. Biz is hidden subject (or dropped subject) here. 

"hem sözlü hem de sözsüz mesajları" is the object phrase. You take the whole phrase as object. 

 "aynı anda" is called "zarf tümleci" which means adverbial complement. Or just adverb.  There is another part at the beginning "insanlar arası iletişimde". This component is called dolaylı tümleç (indirect complement). A modern term is yer/yön tümleci (location/direction complement).

 

In short a Turkish sentence has three components:

1. the predicate (this can be a verb in verb sentences or a noun or adjective in noun sentences.)

2. the subject (this can be a hidden subject since we like to drop them)

3. the complement. This consists of four components : the object, the adverb, the location/direction indicator and the particles.  

 

 

23.       CANLI
4132 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 10:33 pm

 

Quoting erdinc

Canlı, I knew you would ask about the other components. This is why I suggested this topic is too complicated. I can´t even find an English term for one of the main components. Besides many verb sentences don´t have any object at all. Also all noun sentences exclude objects. I don´t think this is a verb useful topic for learners.  

 

 

Then i wouldnt be the stupid one if i couldnt define all sentences parts in my level !

 

But then if the verb can have 2 objects,and both of them maybe in the accusative case,yes ?

then both of them can take the I suffix ?

 

Ps: can you say what are the four components of the the complement in Turkish ´Türkçede´ ?

There are some words of the grammars rules same as we have in arabic like ´zarf´ for example we call/use it same so it would be a bit easier for me to have an idea what they are about.

Thank you.

 

24.       erdinc
2152 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 11:30 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

Ps: can you say what are the four components of the the complement in Turkish  ?

 

Of course:

 

tümleç:

1. nesne

2. dolaylı tümleç  (yer/yön tümleci)

3. zarf tümleci

4. edat tümleci

 

complement:

1. object

2. indirect complement (location/direction complement)

3. adverbial complement

4. participle complement

 

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