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Some things to like about Sarah Palin
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150.       alameda
3499 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 08:32 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 If Teaschip does not want to answer you, or anyone else, who are you to demand that? God?

 

New word or not, I think giving the characteristics we think of a weasle, it is very impolite to use that word for a human. Apparently you don´t respect all human beings.

 

 Get real will you? Are you just trying to pick a fight or what? I did not demand she answer...and she said she answered the question which she did not. At least I want her to think about the implications herself. It is possible she has not thought about that.

 

And fruther more when millions of women´s lives are at stake, I´m not worried about being polite!

151.       Trudy
7887 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 08:32 pm

A blog about Sarah Palin (not for fans):

 

A Few Thoughts on Sarah Palin´s Noble Choices and Aspirations.

As much as I may resent what I see as some of the most exploitive politics in recent times, I can´t help thinking and talking about McCain´s choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate. It´s true that I am playing right into GOP hands by helping wipe the slate clean after this week´s Democratic convention. But this is a fascinating scenario that I´m still trying to get my head around. This is Machiavellian strategy at its finest. Imagine making a decision of this magnitude, and doing it completely out of expediency. It´s purely reactionary thinking on the part of the McCain campaign. Do you have any doubt that things would have gone down differently had Obama picked Hillary Clinton as his partner? I don´t. Not at all.

Listening to the right wing pundits on talk radio, you´d think that this was sheer brilliance. The Christian branch of the GOP has been stroked. This woman is so "pro-life" that she had a kid that she knew was afflicted with Down´s Syndrome. How wise and compassionate she must be to accept this "gift from God". She´s accepted this beautiful presence in her life in such a self-sacrificing manner. It should be pointed out that anyone who makes the choice not to abort a fetus with such a severe disability is making a commitment to give of themselves in a way a parent of normally-functioning children can not ever truly understand. The amount of time and energy that the mother must invest are extraordinary*.

152.       CANLI
5084 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 08:39 pm

Actually Trudy,if anyone starting/join in a debat,or conversation and state opinions with other,he/she should answer to that debat.

And others also should demand an answer...its what people do in any conversation,you cant just not answer and insist that you are right,and people accept that out of the blue!

153.       Trudy
7887 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 08:41 pm

Another site with ´nice´ Palin info....

 

http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

154.       Trudy
7887 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 08:41 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

Actually Trudy,if anyone starting/join in a debat,or conversation and state opinions with other,he/she should answer to that debat.

And others also should demand an answer...its what people do in any conversation,you cant just not answer and insist that you are right,and people accept that out of the blue!

 

 Nope. You can ask for an answer, never demand it. Free choice remember?

155.       CANLI
5084 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 08:49 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 Nope. You can ask for an answer, never demand it. Free choice remember?

 

 Ok,i agree ask not demand,STİLL answering that question is the base of the whole debat.

 

Quote:alameda

Do you believe the government should have the right to intrude on a woman´s choice? Are you for a candidate that would take that choice away?

156.       alameda
3499 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 09:17 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 Nope. You can ask for an answer, never demand it. Free choice remember?

 

 Trudy, this is really getting silly....and I do realize you do not like me....but for the record....again....I did not demand she answer.

 

It could be that seeing as English is not your native language...and I speak US English, there are semantic misunderstandings.

 

I asked her to admit. That is not a demand....and I stated that I wanted....also...that is not a demand.

157.       lesluv
722 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 09:44 pm

thought as she is hot topic of the day ........you might be interested in this your very own palin doll{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}

 

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-GB&vid=50a0468a-0d92-465a-8589-71c40a142575&form=oddnews

158.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 09:59 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

Very nice article you shared peacetrain, I really enjoyed it.  I believe it takes a certain kind of person to be able to care and raise for a disabled child.  But I don´t believe aborting it is the answer.  We have other options like adoption.  Believe it or not families do adopt handicapp children.  I have volunteered my summers to work with kids of all disabilities and most people would be shocked to learn these children are usually the happiest kids in this world.

 Thank you .  I agree with everything you say but, though I personally don´t think I could contemplate an abortion, I don´t think legislating against it is the answer because life is not that simple and choice is important.  I´m thinking of the bigger picture, today control people´s choices with regard to abortion . . . and tomorrow?  How will governments control our lives further?  It would be the slippery slope.

 

I think I´ve already mentioned that adoption of children with a disability happens more frequently than people realise.  Some people actively adopt a disabled child rather than a child without.  Many people foster first then realise they want the child in their lives permanently.  Some people actually realise that they do have those special qualities to adopt a child with Special Needs and devote their lives to them.  A good family/friend network doesn´t always have to mean being a slave to care either.  There are also respite schemes which are become available much more nowadays.  Also, many parents find that they get as much as they give.

 

I´ve co-ordinated the provision of special educational needs in my school for 9 years.  It´s a mainstream school that has a good reputation for inclusive education and parents choose our school deliberately because of its reputation.  We have excellent staff, dedicated to the needs of the children who require extra support and parents are so very supportive too.  I have two friends with Down´s Syndrome children.  Both children are progressing well in our school and learning to read etc. They are only 5. 

 

One thing I would say is the fact that my job has given me a great insight into the life of the family with a child with special educational/physical needs and this has made me think that many of these children have a great deal to contribute to society.

 

Regarding the zygote issue, I would just like to steer in a slightly different direction for a moment.  Detection of pregnancy is becoming much more refined nowadays and women can find out they are pregnant at a very early stage.  The minute they know this (those that want it) they think of a child in their tummy, whatever form it has.  What I want to say is, if a woman miscarries at the zygote stage should she ensure she does not feel the anguish of having lost a child?   I don´t think the anguish of losing a much wanted unborn baby can be quanitfied according to the gestation period at the point of miscarriage.  I guess what is the issue here is the mother´s feelings more than that of the fetus but I still think it´s a point to think about.

159.       Trudy
7887 posts
 12 Sep 2008 Fri 10:30 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 Trudy, this is really getting silly....and I do realize you do not like me....but for the record....again....I did not demand she answer.

 

It could be that seeing as English is not your native language...and I speak US English, there are semantic misunderstandings.

 

I asked her to admit. That is not a demand....and I stated that I wanted....also...that is not a demand.

 

It´s not about my English, at least not this time, it´s about your choice of words and more: the underlying tone! And if something is getting silly, it is you who don´t understand that many, many people are telling you the same about that tone as I do.

160.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Sep 2008 Sat 12:04 am

 

Quoting Trudy

It´s not about my English, at least not this time, it´s about your choice of words and more: the underlying tone! And if something is getting silly, it is you who don´t understand that many, many people are telling you the same about that tone as I do.

 

 While you carry on about what you feel is my "tone", I´m trying to discuss a important issue. It could be that you just don´t feel it is relevant to you.

 

The current "pro-life" agenda could enslave millions of females. As the US population is around 300 million, half of those being female, this effects 150 million females today, and who knows how many tomorrow? No exception for rape victims, no exception for women whose life would be endangered, no exception for victims of incest, no exception for unviability of the fetus....

 

Claiming human life begins at inception....and the criminalization of those terminating that? Outlawing methods of birth control that they feel interrupt things? As I said earlier in this thread, what is next, check stops to check on the fertility status of females?

 

Did you know there is a new federal guidline that asks all females capable of conceiving a baby to treat themselves, and be treated by the healthcare system- as pre-pregnant, regardless of weather they plan to get pregnant anytime soon....

 

What then, jail time for not properly taking care of yourself in your pre-pregnant state?

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