Well..

Thank you for this lovely post and loving my country..I feel proud to be honest.

Thats your very-well donated perception if you understand these from my post, monseiur thehandsom .

well..

I never ever thought ´what my purpose´ might be really..I wake up, read many things in Turkish and English and I just share it here..

That is all really..And when I see a wrong view, in my opinion, i tell my ideas about it .

But I know where you are coming from.

When I go to Turkey, sometimes I go to kahvehane with my father..Retired people´s kahvehane. Once, when I was there, there was Orhan Pamuk´s trial. And the news reader was saying ´a delegate from EU was in the court´ and of course the first reaction was ´what is their purpose?´.

I know, when mrs mitterand flew to diyarbakir (in the sout east), my father asked the same question ´what is her purpose?´.

When Orhan Pamuk said ´there have been 40.000 kurds and 1.000.000 Armenian killed in these soils´, they asked the same question ´what is his purpose?´

When Aziz Nesin tried to publish ´satanic verses´ in Turkish , the mob burnt the writers and intellects alive in that hotel. But the question was the same ´what was his purpose?´ (of publishing that book)

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I can give you more examples if you like, but i think they are enough.

And that is where your question is coming from.. That is the same angle.

There got to be a purpose if there is a critisism..If foreigners are involved along the way, asking that question looks somehow more necessary to the person who asks the question.

And after above examples, I hope you are not going to say that the question you asked me is your invention. Because it is not.

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You are telling up -there your posts most of "opinions" with few of "facts"-. Could you possibly give some examples in which I expressed my opinions and I can not come up with the facts..

can you? 

And  about this irritation issue.

Well..I remember telling in one post that some of our sultans were gay. (And I did not think it was an important issue to be honest and I still dont ) And you got irritated..

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I dont know what to say really..

When someone says something to you and it is not matching with the things you were taught and you say ´what is said´ is irritating you, then  I dont think there can be any discussions with you. Because anything can be irritating you.

Again..

I dont know what to say really.

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There are always instigations and agitations in their community created by media. In first place media creates fear, then they supress it with liberalism and political correctness which opens a way to upgrade instigations. An avarage Brit cant say anything to this because of a fear of being called racist and facist so they got bored much. I was labelled racist here many times in fact im not racist and no relation with them , but then i understood they call every Turk or everyone like that if they dont like their thoughts. In case there is much pressure on them, there is no freedom of speech for this poor people to say what they think. They think freedom is to drink drugs, can sleep each night with different man/woman, wearing ridiculous cloths bla bla, even they dont know the meaning of freedom.

Well I really like to know what you were trying to say up there.

I know very well that a common Brit would dont scream his/her head of with ´Ne mutlu English diyene´  and wont "accuse a welsh or scott as a traitor if they dont say it" for example.

And also know that being racist is percieved as ´a bit of low´ by the brits.. It is very much related to morality if  not political correctness.

So are you saying that ´liberalism and political correctness´ are supressing the brits-or thye west-? so that their understanding of freedom is just ´to drink drugs, can sleep each night with different man/woman, wearing ridiculous cloths´?

Please clarify..

(ps..just a quick note..I have seen very little number of racists accepted publicly as ´Yes. I am racist´. Even Nazis called themselves nationalist)

 Yep, ver good at least you perceived. What do you think when they mean to say by the word "integrate"? Thats a hidden way

 No, i think i explained them when i responded to peacetrain, read please.

Very good, then you wont get offended when i call you Kurdish racist as you call me racist. Please do us more literature to show how poor Kurds killed by Turks.

Btw when we taught Pamuk how to count, you call us racist or when we explain the purpose of mrs mitterand, you got angry, you called us two-times racist. But you ignore the fact, after the first gulf war, US released Saddam on Kurds and we accepted that refugees in our country who escaped from the cruelty of Saddam, mrs mitterand was again also there, she was very merciful, she took a few refugees to her country, looking at their teeth what a wonderful show, saved the humanity. But whats our reward after we fed up and protected that refugees, after we paid billions of money? The tragedy caused by US, returned us back an international agenda of Kurdish issue firstly. And after the second gulf war, that people whom we fed up and protected, threatening us by the hands of Barzani, we know have a legal PKK called Barzani .

it sounds after brainwashing...

this could be the second step...

success...

just an irony.

I see you playing with words instead of answering my question.I know my english is awful but isnt this part understandable? "Dont you (want to) see? your posts do not enlight people rather disturb them?" maybe I wrote wrong in english I should write in turkish. "Yazdýklarýnýn insanlarý düþündürmek, aydýnlatmak þöyle dursun rahatsýz ettiðini görm(ek istem)iyor musun?"
Dont you (want to) see? this is pointless that you keep posting these..  Thus I am asking that natural question if it is not pointless "what is the purpose?" I am asking you because I assume you want to enlight people rather than disturb them.

Our difference is, I want to hear from you to say your purpose unlike you already marked my purpose.

Yes you got me, I searched on google.

That will take me into discussion. That I dont want to be in. one of the reason "here is not a right place to discuss these issues" which is the base of my posts. I only mentioned there that shows you are part of the another propaganda.

That is called "cultural differences".

I just want to say:
if you will post similiar word playing I will assume you just want to disturb people. and that will show you are intentionally part of the negative propaganda.

 I am EXTREMELY interested in this comment Merih!  You don´t think it is good fun to debate?  You prefer to have an argument than a debate and feel that I should be angry, maybe red with anger, stamping my feet or perhaps crying?

I love to debate and admire people who win an argument over me.  How is that not ethical on a website forum?

I can see it would not be ethical in a government meeting, but on a Turkish language website???

Please lighten up - it is a beautiful day and we are aliveeeeeeeee

I never ever thought ´what my purpose´ might be really..I wake up, read many things in Turkish and English and I just share it here..

If  above is the sign of brain washing on my part. I mean reading many things and sharing them is the sign of brain washing , then let it be..

I never claimed that ´I was trying to enlighten people´. I have been sharing my ideas only.

But asking a person ´ dont share your ideas because they are disturbing me´ is not  a winning argument to be honest. If we accept it as ´the right thing to do´, anybody can be silenced or censored.

This is the same argument I was talking about: ´Orhan Pamuk is disturbing me because he is saying something I dont like´ or ´why Aziz Nesin tried to publish satanic verses? Because it is disturbing me´  etc..

But why NOT? what is the meaning of ´freedom of expression´ simply to you?

And why why why simply, ´what is written here´ or ´what is written anywhere else´ should bother anybody in a way that we will want it to stop? why should any idea bother anybody?

(well ideas can bother me sometimes, but as long as i have right to answer them, I will never ever ask them to be silenced!!)

Why has anything written ´critical of any government´ GOT TO BE  a part of propaganda?

About the stories of ´some of our sultans had some gay relations´ and they are bothering you but not me and you calling it cultural differences etc´:

I rather prefer to know the truth and learn how to live with them.

If you call it cultural differences, yes we do differ on the issue.

Well said.

No I dont think it is brainwashing that is why I wrote there "just an irony". it was joke. (actually you took seriously that shows your prejudice about us) But you know "reading" only one side of the story that wont bring you to "the truth".

yes I am not comfortable also. it would be ignorable if I was the only uncomfortable person from your posts.

what is that you dont want to understand, I didnt say to you leave your ideas. I have been repeating myself since beginning, you can share, argue, promote your ideas that is your right. But "here is not right place to do". People do not come here to hear your negative propaganda.

I rather prefer to know the truth as well. You understood what you want to understand. I disturbed because it was not truth but insult. not because it was the truth.

you repeating yourself out of subject. Your difference from Aziz Nesin, he didnt tried in Turkish language website. Orhan pamuk as well. You know if this site would "discussing only" you would not find a person to discuss.

I briefly write above bold and italic.

Because you are here only for discussion they arent here for discussing or hear your negative propaganda. They dont have to answer you. or They dont have to be here. They just quit.(see I repeating myself)

I answered this actually before my last post

if you would care people´s reaction that read your arguments Then you would check yourself. But I see you just want to write what have you been told. You will be realize sooner or later you will only cause negative consequences.

Thank you for the conversation.

 I think your example is not a good example, it´s just to confuse people. The situation of scotts and egnlish is not the same as the kurds and the turks of Turkey. First Scotland is a country in the UK, but there´s no country called Kurdistan in the boundaries of Turkey.

And again you insist on reducing "Ne mutlu Türküm diyene!"  to an ethnic based proverb while IT IS NOT. You try to confirm it by stating that racists use this proverb for their own benefits, then what you do is no different from them. You,as well, distort the truth according to your benefits.

If a turkish citizen whatever his/her origin is, cannot say this proverb, then I consider him/her as a traitor as well. However, every ethnicity, every culture and every religion should fight to improve their rights to live their culture and religion and to learn their language. They should not fight not to say "Ne mutlu Türküm diyene!" if they want to stay a part of Turkey (if they want to form a different country, then I´d understand). Then what it causes is just ethnic separatism.