Why shouldn´t I look at those sites? Maybe they have some point, and I prefer to consider every possibility than believing in what is offered to me to believe. US do make big mistakes but it is not very imaginary thing to believe that it can be the narrator of such a monstreous plan. we often think too simple and that´s the problem.

And where did you get your information, from the US controlled media?

 This is what I meant in another post.. an ethnic identity is not necessarily based upon origin or kinship. It is often created in what fits people most or what they prefer to belong to.

I should read some more work from Martin van Bruinessen, he is a Dutch ´Kurdolog´, and is really a specialist on the topic of Kurdish peoples. I attended a few seminars of him about Kurds in Turkey. It was really english. I think his books must be available in English, if not in Turkish as well.

 Typically people who buy into this theory also believe in 1950 when people claimed that aliens from outerspace where demanding we stop nucleaur testing.  People will go to any length to draw attention. 

I disagree. Sui is one of few people here who even can discuss these issues rationally. He has his views and that does not make him ´not so open minded´!

 Loved that one

 hehe btw "burden" should be "bury", I have to revise my english vocabulary

 +1

It became the famous ´I am right - Nooo, IIII am right´ debate.. speculating a little over words, whether we can or cannot speak of ´kurds´ ´turks´ ´them´ ´us´ in a debate. There is a lot in words yes, but sometimes you can say too much as well..

It has become boring and too full of personal comments. Please continue to discuss whatever you think would be the sollution,ethnicity, racism and nationality, but continuing personal comments and posts specifically about PKK (let alone supporting it), will result in this thread to be locked.

Now please continue this interesting debate

 Me too. I have read that Sui is been called a racist as well during this debate if I remember well, I find that rather unfair and quite ill-informed. 

They say practice makes perfect... but I havent seen my english getting any better though I posted over 5000 posts here

I would like to protest against this quite wrong and ugly stereotype. Please... challenge your own stereotyping as well (not referring here only to my love mltm, but in general). There are stupid and ignorant people in every country, US is not unique. And there are lots of intelligent and very brilliant people in the US as well. Using such stereotypes is, I think, quite wrong.