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Real Ataturk or Western-backed plot?
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 09:43 am

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2.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 11:56 am

Who cares how the movie presents Ataturk. We have enough evidence. Let us just remember what he said to the world and what the world said about him.

 

Ataturk lived in a world populated with leaders like :

 

Winston Churchill

 

Let us depict the best one first:

 

He supported fascists against communists, understood their motives  He then stood against fascists because all he was after was a power play.

 

Defended the use of poisonous gas against the defying Kurds and Arabs.

 

Explained that Europe were entitled to the land of Indians likening them to a dog in a mangle saying the dog can not claim the ownership of the mangle just because he has been there for a long time.

 

Excessively and unnecessarily carpet bombed German cities after the war claiming thousands of civilian lives and destroying many important historical monuments and buildings in the process.

 

He sent in troops to break strikes. During the General Strike of 1926 he suggested using machine guns against strikers through a party bulletin . He supported Mussolini right up to Italy declaring war in 1940.

 

Hitler

Should I actually say anything?

 

Mussolini

ditto

 

Franco

ditto

 

In a world full of villains, he was the hero who adopted the principle :

 

Peace at home, peace in the world.

 

 

 

3.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 12:01 pm

Is this thread going to be re-titled "Battle of the Second World War Dictators/Leaders"

 

Hehehe Winston Churchill was a hero to people in the UK AT THE TIME, but of course people now have access to more information and can better judge him (good AND bad 

 

Unlike Turkey, we moved on and don´t hero-worship dead leaders like gods

4.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 12:49 pm

Let us keep our focus on where it should be; understanding people and their actions in the time frame they were active. There is nothing wrong in presenting Ataturk as a revolutionary leader who stood out in the crowd of dictators and Churchill is not the entire West. Should we repeat our love and dedication to the Western world whenever we post a message?

 

Ataturk was the hero of a war of independence. He was a dictator  at a time when a dictator was the only answer to the country´s profound problems like religious bigotry, backwardness and ignorance. 

 

Ataturk was the George Washington + Benjamin Franklin for Turkey. Don´t take my word for it. Read about him. It would be curious to know exactly what you are objecting to in him.

 

 

5.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 12:52 pm

 

 

 

Ataturk was the George Washington + Benjamin Franklin for Turkey. Don´t take my word for it. Read about him. It would be curious to know exactly what you are objecting to in him.

 

 I dont object to him!! Why would you think that? {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

And.. dont patronize me Vineyards - of course I have read about Ataturk!!!  He was a great leader.  Now he is dead.  Keep him as your hero, but don´t talk about him as if he is god.  This is all I said.

Anyway not in the mood to argue with you today

May re-visit this another time!

6.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 12:55 pm

Aenigma, I did not claim he is God did I? So what was my mistake?

7.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 12:56 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Aenigma, I did not claim he is God did I? So what was my mistake?

 

 My sentence was more directed to Kemalists than to YOU personally

 

8.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 12:58 pm

I think I am going to send you yet another vile PM

9.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 01:07 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

I think I am going to send you yet another vile PM

 

 Have mercy!

 

OK OK OK  Ataturk IS A GOD

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 01:08 pm

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