easterners have every right in the west, stating that they suffer in the west is very ridiculous. just simply nobody holds them in there.

they enjoy the tolerance, freedom, they can freely practise their religoins and even propagate it, they can practice their customs including honor killings etc etc. but at the end i think they dont understand what freedom is.

and it is not so in the east (esp in middle east), when westerners are just guests (they dont migrate to the east) they have to adjust themselves to the eastern customs in order not to offend the east.

perhaps its Canlis mentality that doesnt allow free thinking, doesnt understand what it means to freely express yourslef without a fear of being silenced. however, it doesnt bother her when the easterners often and eagerly attack the west.

i love speaking straightforward and i hate being limitted. for me not being allowed to express equals to be forced to wear a burka.

shame this site shares a la turkish - egyptian style of free speech.

 But you said: ´so it will be like us Easterns living in a foreigner country´

Don´t behave like a westerner, you can´t. But don´t expect westerners with the style of speech femme told so well about - post above - to spare ´fragile´ spirits.

 Yes,remember many of the debats we had here and you were complaining from Easterns living in foreigner countries

Ý meant like that.

Will repeat my question to Canli.  If you believe all you say, why did you not ask for apologies from the "eastern" members who called theHandsom "gay" during arguments (on many occasions)

 Ã havent seen any post that they have called handsom gay in any argument,beside,when handsom get insulted by any,he pm me to delete the post and i check it and delete it,and it was done by easterns too

So i think you cant make it as taking sides here and judging if it was Western i delete if not,i dont!

what is the problem here Trudy? this is about personal insults, for people who are not civilized enough to keep them away. and yes, there is a barrier between east and west, and some people are more sensitive. if we simply keep all personal comments away, we will be able to actually discuss ideas, which is what our goal is anyway. yes, some spirits may be fragile, it is none of our business to change who they are as people. at the same time we will be able to preserve freedom of speech of ideas.

 OMG!!!!!

So..... an insult is ONLY an insult if a person is sensitive enough to take it as such?  I would imagine you will receive a lot of PMs from "eastern" members then....

I agree with Canli. if he doesn´t feel offended, then there´s no offense! if he feels offended, he should say so.

isn´t that common knowledge? some insults are insults when someone is sensitive enough. some insults are insults no matter what...

 Ok here it is...

Ýs it insult to be called gay or not ?!

Ý dont know

For me...yes it is

For you ?!