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Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana
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90.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 10:29 am

 

 

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forget the movie, read now this article about Leyla:

 

 Leyla Zana has been living a life of constant struggle, determined to attain the rights of her people and in search of democracy in a place where such an idea seems unreachable. 

Leyla Zana was born in a Kurdish village near the city of Diyarbakir (Amed) in 1961. She married the former mayor of Diyarbakir and political activist, Mehdi Zana, who would later spend over a decade in prison for his non-violent political activities in favor of equal rights for the Kurdish people in Turkey. He was later recognized by Amnesty International as a prisoner of conscience. In 1991, while Mehdi Zana was serving his long sentence in prison, Leyla became the first Kurdish woman in Turkey to be elected to the Turkish parliament.


Leyla Zana gives speech in traditional Kurdish clothing



During her inauguration as Member of Parliament in the Turkish National Assembly, Leyla took her oath of allegiance in Turkish as required by the law and ended her oath with thefollowing phrase in the Kurdish language:

“I have completed this formality under duress. I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people.”


“Since we have come to Parliament, we have defended equality, democracy and brotherhood. We have asked to end the bloodshed. If these actions are crimes, we accept that.”

Leyla Zana’s advocating of peace was ignored and she would spend the next ten years of her life behind bars. She was accused of separatist motives and was tortured by Turkish guards and police; circumstances hard to imagine for most as she has been brutally beaten and tortured on much more than one occasion in her life.

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Good article Ros..

Thanks for sharing.

We, some Turks, have been saying the same things for many many years too..

 

91.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 10:37 am

 

Quoting justinetime

MY GOD!!! i´ve never seen anyone as rude as you are... she just posted an article with the link included. just because she posted it doesn´t necessarily mean it reflects her own opinion....

 

i thought there was supposed to be no personal insults here!!!.... i find yours very insulting....

 

+10000

Yet, I mostly agree what it says in that article..

And this also shows what type of primitiveness we are trying to deal in Turkey here.

This woman has never ever took arms. 

She has never ever killed anybody.

Yet, she has spent all those years in jail about ´JUST SPEAKING´.

Any words such as ´peace,  democracy, human rights, freedom of speach´ are not acceptable for this ´cave man´ mentality which is still flourishing in some developing men of my developing country. 

92.       tassia
50 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 02:26 pm

im not criticizing the movie at all cus i only watched part of it. however if people are going to make a movie about another country wouldnt they have to get permission first? From what i have seen why did the turks let them shoot the filmn turkey if they knew it was going to describe turkey in a bad image? And if the turkish people didnt like it after it was shot why did they let it go cinema? why didnt they protest to keep it from showing in the theatres?

93.       lady in red
6947 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 02:58 pm

 

Quoting tassia

im not criticizing the movie at all cus i only watched part of it. however if people are going to make a movie about another country wouldnt they have to get permission first? From what i have seen why did the turks let them shoot the filmn turkey if they knew it was going to describe turkey in a bad image? And if the turkish people didnt like it after it was shot why did they let it go cinema? why didnt they protest to keep it from showing in the theatres?

 

Permission to film in Istanbul was refused and filming took place in Malta and Libya.  Apparently ´background shots of Istanbul were shot by a small crew pretending to shoot footage for a cigarette commercial´.  I don´t know for certain but I very much doubt tbe film was released in Turkey.

94.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 04:25 pm

Wooow, mentality , according to this sick mentality, there is no terrorist leader in world, only the pawns, even Bin Ladin is not a terrorist either since he did not bomb any civilians or terrorism financiers also. Zanas and Aynas(the hairy one ) announcing 15 August 1984 as a victory day that they killed Turkish soldiers treacherously. The real cave men with their mentalities living in Kandil in real caves, killing and robbing people, drinking drugs and walking around like zombie robots, even raping the female terrorists...

95.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 05:51 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Wooow, mentality , according to this sick mentality, there is no terrorist leader in world, only the pawns, even Bin Ladin is not a terrorist either since he did not bomb any civilians or terrorism financiers also. Zanas and Aynas(the hairy one ) announcing 15 August 1984 as a victory day that they killed Turkish soldiers treacherously. The real cave men with their mentalities living in Kandil in real caves, killing and robbing people, drinking drugs and walking around like zombie robots, even raping the female terrorists...

 

I am talking about a woman here

Who never took arms

Who never killed anybody

Yet, she has spent all those years in jail about ´JUST SPEAKING´.

Putting people in jail for just speaking  means ´you are afraid of people speaking´ and THAT IS  PRIMITIVENESS at the level of cave man..

96.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:13 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I am talking about a woman here

 

Yep, i am also talking about a terrorist who supports other terrorists to kill civilians

97.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:25 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Yep, i am also talking about a terrorist who supports other terrorists to kill civilians

 

I dont think you do understand..

I keep telling..

She has never took arms and she has never killed anybody!!

How can you call her terrorist??

 

This is like putting Gerry Adams of N Ireland in jail..

Can you not see the parallels here?

In N Ireland, they did not put Gerry Adams into jail and he made IRA put the arms away..

Now, nobody gets killed there..

 

But in Turkey, you put anybody who talks about kurdish problem into jail and people still get killed..

 

Dohhh!!!

98.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:33 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

She has never took arms and she has never killed anybody!!

 

I keep saying that she is terrorist like many other terrorists. Other terrorist leaders do no take arms and maybe never killed anybody but direct a terrorist organisation. Do this chahged the fact that they are terrorists?

99.       zettea
160 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:48 pm

 

Quoting armegon

I keep saying that she is terrorist like many other terrorists. Other terrorist leaders do no take arms and maybe never killed anybody but direct a terrorist organisation. Do this chahged the fact that they are terrorists?

 

 if a father is a terrorist than the son is a terrorist too  And anyone who makes a statement that may provoke terrorism is a terrorist too huh.. errrr so should everyone not speak up against their government ever

100.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:52 pm

 

Quoting armegon

I keep saying that she is terrorist like many other terrorists. Other terrorist leaders do no take arms and maybe never killed anybody but direct a terrorist organisation. Do this chahged the fact that they are terrorists?

 

haha.

Are you sure about she ´directed a terrorist organization´?

She was never ever directed or managed any terrorist organisation and you very well know that..

She does not live in Northern Iraq. She lives in Turkey. She is watched all the time.

Are you not aware that because you putting zana type people

WHO NEVER KILLED ANYBODY

WHO NEVER DIRECTED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

WHO NEVER TOOK ARMS INTO HER HANDS

people are still getting killed?

Are you saying that putting zana type people into jail helps to solve ´our Kurdish problem´?

Are you sure that jailing Zana helps the peace we are trying to achive in Turkey?

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