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Democracy/Greece/Turkey
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:10 pm |
I completely agree...
People seem to forget that police are "human" too and have all human failings. They should be punished when they take the law into their own hands. It is for judges and jurys to decide punishments. So many police are completely power crazy...
what? you two are crazy!
if i were police and if anyone was aiming at me, i will definetly shoot first. and if he has a bomb i will not think a second.
the democracy is not that you come out and do whatever you want to, killing and demolishing.
now, having said all above, i cant give any definite opinion about the situation in greece, i read different sources and opinions.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:15 pm |
what? you two are crazy!
if i were police and if anyone was aiming at me, i will definetly shoot first. and if he has a bomb i will not think a second.
the democracy is not that you come out and do whatever you want to, killing and demolishing.
now, having said all above, i cant give any definite opinion about the situation in greece, i read different sources and opinions.
wow wow wow!!!
now i am sure again that i was right whilist choosing you as a First Lady!!
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:19 pm |
wow wow wow!!!
now i am sure again that i was right whilist choosing you as a First Lady!!
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:22 pm |
what? you two are crazy!
if i were police and if anyone was aiming at me, i will definetly shoot first. and if he has a bomb i will not think a second.
the democracy is not that you come out and do whatever you want to, killing and demolishing.
now, having said all above, i cant give any definite opinion about the situation in greece, i read different sources and opinions.
I think the problem is that we don´t know all the detail. However, shoot first, ask questions later is the first way to a police state. Sui, I don´t expect you to agree because you cannot be objective on this subject.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:27 pm |
what? you two are crazy!
if i were police and if anyone was aiming at me, i will definetly shoot first. and if he has a bomb i will not think a second.
the democracy is not that you come out and do whatever you want to, killing and demolishing.
now, having said all above, i cant give any definite opinion about the situation in greece, i read different sources and opinions.
Well..thanks god you are not one..
First of all police is there to PROTECT everybody..
Police can not be/should not be trigger happy..And I think it is much much better the police do not carry gun at all..
I think, in generic terms, I would give the british police as an example about how it should be..
But anyway..This is not the gist of the topic.
In democracies, police can NOT kill people without a serious reason..
If they do, they get the punisment.
After those riots I think a greek police will think twice or three times before it pulls the trigger..
And the sad thing is in my country, sometimes, they dont even think a split second..They just kill..
And this is the list from 2008 only:
February 8: 17-year-old Emrah Derviþoðlu who had allegedly been involved in the theft of a car in Istanbul, was shot for ignoring a police warning and died.
February 15: 16-year-old Yahya Menekþe died when he was crushed under a police vehicle in a demonstration in Cizre.
March 22: Police shot dead Zeki Erik during the Nevruz celebrations and Ramazan Dal was taken to intensive care after being beaten by police. Dal died 10 days later.
May 1: Daily Cumhuriyet correspondents Ali Deniz Uslu and Esra Açýkgöz were seriously injured as a result of the actions of police in a May Day rally in Istanbul, while they were working.
Aug. 27: Stopped by police in Balýkesir for driving under the influence of alcohol, Halil Bulut, while trying to get in his car to escape police, was shot in the heart by police and died.
Aug. 30: A fight broke out between police and civilians when civilians ignored police warnings to stop. A passerby, Aziz Yargý, unaware of what was happening, was shot dead as a result of a stray bullet fired by police.
Oct. 10: Engin Çeber died from injuries he received at Metris Prison in Istanbul.
Oct. 20: Ahmet Özhan died as a result of police firing into a demonstration in eastern Anatolia. The protest was staged due to claims the leader of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, Abdullah Öcalan, was under pressure in Ãmralý, an island near Istanbul where he is serving a prison sentence.
Oct. 27: A police officer shot dead 18-year-old Çaðdaþ Gemik because he disobeyed a warning to stop.
Nov. 11: As a result of not adhering to the police warning to stop, 14-year-old Ahmet Yýldýrým sustained back injuries as a result of police firing a shot. The police officer claimed Yýldýrým had stolen a motorcycle in a southern Adana province.
Nov. 19: Soner Çankal, suspected of theft, was shot in the head and died in the Altýndað district of Ankarafor ignoring a police warning.
Nov. 25: 20-year-old Baran Tursun was shot in the head by police while driving after failing to comply with a warning to stop.
btw..this is only 2008..10-20 years ago the list was much bigger for each year.. (so we are a bit better..)
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:34 pm |
I think the problem is that we don´t know all the detail. However, shoot first, ask questions later is the first way to a police state. Sui, I don´t expect you to agree because you cannot be objective on this subject.
I dont really care if i answer your expectations or not... And are you the judge of being objective? that you can decide if i am objective or not...
I also say my words to police officers where they do not behave... and i dont need to prove these to you!
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:38 pm |
Well..thanks god you are not one..
First of all police is there to PROTECT everybody..
Police can not be/should not be trigger happy..And I think it is much much better the police do not carry gun at all..
I think, in generic terms, I would give the british police as an example about how it should be..
But anyway..This is not the gist of the topic.
In democracies, police can NOT kill people without a serious reason..
If they do, they get the punisment.
After those riots I think a greek police will think twice or three times before it pulls the trigger..
And the sad thing is in my country, sometimes, they dont even think a split second..They just kill..
And this is the list from 2008 only:
right, and having a bomb is not a serious reason?
the police to protect us without guns? are you joking? are they supposed to protect us by farting then?
give me a break, hairy!
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:45 pm |
right, and having a bomb is not a serious reason?
the police to protect us without guns? are you joking? are they supposed to protect us by farting then?
give me a break, hairy!
I am still insisting that they should not carry guns..
Most of the british police do not carry guns ..
And in fact, most of them does not want to carry guns.
So it is possible to protect people without KILLING and carrying guns..
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:46 pm |
I am still insisting that they should not carry guns..
Most of the british police do not carry guns ..
And in fact, most of them does not want to carry guns.
So it is possible to protect people without KILLING and carrying guns..
Again I am forced to agree with you completely !!!
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:51 pm |
I am still insisting that they should not carry guns..
Most of the british police do not carry guns ..
And in fact, most of them does not want to carry guns.
So it is possible to protect people without KILLING and carrying guns..
You are just looking to the point one sidedly...
Will the anarchy stop if they dont carry guns? Oh come on! be more realistic!!
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:53 pm |
You are just looking to the point one sidedly...
Well, with respect, so are you Sui
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