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Democracy/Greece/Turkey
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:53 pm |
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You are just looking to the point one sidedly...
Well, with respect, so are you Sui 
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:54 pm |
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I am still insisting that they should not carry guns..
Most of the british police do not carry guns ..
And in fact, most of them does not want to carry guns.
So it is possible to protect people without KILLING and carrying guns..
sorry fella, i completly disagree with you.
if there are criminals around my house terrorising us (having all various guns) how do you expect the gunless police to protect us? 
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:56 pm |
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sorry fella, i completly disagree with you.
if there are criminals around my house terrorising us (having all various guns) how do you expect the gunless police to protect us?
But they are NOT outside your house doing that. If the police carried guns routinely, then you would find MORE people would carry guns also.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:01 pm |
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But there are NOT outside your house doing that.
what do you mean? you cant see such example? or exclude such case?
If the police carried guns routinely, then you would find MORE people would carry guns also.
thats hardly an argument. the criminals will carry guns no matter what. do you think that they think "aha, the police dont carry guns, ok, then, we too wont carry"?
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:02 pm |
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Offfff I can´t quote your post!!! 
Well, it is proven Femme. In places where police routinely carry guns, the number of citizens carrying guns increases too.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:06 pm |
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A good example for you Femme. The number of people in California who own and carry guns is now 32% of the population.
Can you IMAGINE such a thing here? 
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:13 pm |
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Offfff I can´t quote your post!!!
Well, it is proven Femme. In places where police routinely carry guns, the number of citizens carrying guns increases too.
i dont know how to quiote  properly
how is it proven? it is not about gunless police or with guns. its the matter of matureness of the society. in some western countries it took years of education, mutual cooperation with the help of mass media, lots of social work efforts etc etc.
the police must protect citizens from criminals and i exclude criminals from being citizens.
and you and hairy are suggesting that the police should protect everyone even the criminal. yes, there are also a list of policemen who died because they didnt have enough equippment to protect themselves.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:14 pm |
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A good example for you Femme. The number of people in California who own and carry guns is now 32% of the population.
Can you IMAGINE such a thing here?
Look Aenigma,
it is very blind to say people carry guns because police carry guns, what is the relation? Are you protecting yourself from police?
To my point of view, for a peace or beautiful life, citizens has to obey social rules and police has to behave according to laws...
And if there are some emptiness or discussable points in the laws it is the politicians duty to solve it...
You are not supposed to bring democracy or show the truth with using guns and creating anarchy, then would you be different than that police shot that young boy? Never!
If you think that is wrong... ask for new elections... why are you burning the car of your citizen who maybe worked years to buy it?
As you see... i look from two sides
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:17 pm |
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i dont know how to quiote properly
After you click "quote" just copy and past the quoted message to amend
the police must protect citizens from criminals and i exclude criminals from being citizens.
and you and hairy are suggesting that the police should protect everyone even the criminal. yes, there are also a list of policemen who died because they didnt have enough equippment to protect themselves.
YES! The police SHOULD protect everyone, including the criminal, otherwise we have a very different society. The law in this country is still "innocent until proven guilty" and it is not for police to judge. Also... imagine one day one of your family is shot "by mistake" or because of "mistaken identity" or maybe they just looked as if they were going to get a gun from their pocket, but they were not.
Being a policeman is a dangerous job yes, policeman have been killed throughout history while carrying out their duties. However, it is still a rare occurance.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:21 pm |
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Look Aenigma,
it is very blind to say people carry guns because police carry guns, what is the relation? Are you protecting yourself from police?
To my point of view, for a peace or beautiful life, citizens has to obey social rules and police has to behave according to laws...
And if there are some emptiness or discussable points in the laws it is the politicians duty to solve it...
You are not supposed to bring democracy or show the truth with using guns and creating anarchy, then would you be different than that police shot that young boy? Never!
If you think that is wrong... ask for new elections... why are you burning the car of your citizen who maybe worked years to buy it?
As you see... i look from two sides
well said and agree with exception to the bolded one.
it is also my duty to change the law that is idiotic, by taking part in discussions, writing articles in newspapers, using internet , calling people to protest etc etc.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:21 pm |
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it is very blind to say people carry guns because police carry guns, what is the relation? Are you protecting yourself from police?
Yes.
If you think that is wrong... ask for new elections... why are you burning the car of your citizen who maybe worked years to buy it?
I agree, you don´t always get the leader that you want. And...since when has a burnt car been the same price as a life?
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