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Ankara women largely unhappy, study shows
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10 Mar 2009 Tue 12:27 pm |
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I think there is not equal rights for the women in the underdeveloped countries and even in some developed countries, according to Media and my observations, unfortunately.
Edited (3/10/2009) by yilgun-7
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Edited (3/11/2009) by yilgun-7
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10 Mar 2009 Tue 12:49 pm |
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There are a lot of mashers on the subways in NY. It´s a masher paradise during rush hour. Do you have that where you are? I once had two little girls with me....10 and 13....trying to protect them was a nightmare.
I can´t speak about subway as the only line in Poland is in Warsaw  but public transport is awful. Buses, trains - you meet those mashers everywhere, or at least you did when I was in secondary school and at university. Now I don´t use public transport. Another bad thing about buses is the smell. Somehow you get the feeling nobody has discovered anti-perspirants or baths yet 
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10 Mar 2009 Tue 01:42 pm |
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I am sorry, do you actually feel this deep down in your heart? Because you´re argument is so rational... (of course)
Of course.
OK, nice to know.
This is irrelevant as a social tendency, unless prooven, that a considerable majority of wives are nagging. More than that, I once read a study which i unfortunately am not able to quote now, but nag is also a reaction of isolation. You can find similar example in ethological studies, too. In short, isolate a child and it will become nagging, do it with an animal, it will also show comportamental disturbances... No wonder with women. It is more like vicious circle. Nagging does not come from high esteem , either!!!
Of course, it goes both ways. ...but it has to start someplace.
You mean facing the problem and solving? Yes, that has to start somewhere, other way it is simply impossible to delimit a starting point on one side, or the other! But it is usually that those who are in the position with most strenght, socially, that should start changing.
Otherwise, I say this question is irrelevant, as I think it is not women that started it. 
Yet, we have to face demanding sometimes (I hope I understand the term well, as requesting) and try to find encouragement if not given... sometimes it can happen we are deprived from that, yet, lack of encouragement is acceptable as a fact only under 18, after that, we have to deal with problems...
We may have to, but I do think the pill would go down easier with a bit of honey. I didn´t say it would be easy.
 . You are undermining a basic civilizational need. Even if mankind can face salf-distruction, the majority of steps were made fr improving throughout history...
Yes, but that civilizational "need" is causing the whole planet ruin. Maybe it´s time to take a serious evaluation. I also question if the steps were for improvement, or aggrandizment. A lot is just needless self perpetuating drivvle. New fashions every year.....How often we fill our plates with more than we need. Will we have vomitarians again, while the rest of the world starves?
This principal is one of the 4 noble truths as outlined in Buddihism
Are you living in NYC, far from the "madding crowd"? In violence and western degradation?
true. (although I did not took statistical data to compare, I admit that) Who said that the "alternative" (in this case US) is perfect? But neither is women´s condition as described in this study an alternative... the alternative is in the future for us to find. (Americans are, i guess, few steps further)
I would not say Americans are any steps further along, their problems are less public. In my opinion the alternative is to evolve more spiritually in terms of compassion and patience and gratitude as a species.
including "nagging women, than, isn´t it?
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 12:55 am |
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Of course, it goes both ways. ...but it has to start someplace.
You mean facing the problem and solving? Yes, that has to start somewhere, other way it is simply impossible to delimit a starting point on one side, or the other! But it is usually that those who are in the position with most strenght, socially, that should start changing.
Otherwise, I say this question is irrelevant, as I think it is not women that started it.
What came first the chicken or the egg...same analogy...but the answer is the same. The one with the strength does not have to change....they need to be convinced of the benefit. Things don´t always happen as they "should". I´ve gotten to be rather more pragmatic in my method.
Are you living in NYC, far from the "madding crowd"? In violence and western degradation?
No, I´m in the middle of chaos as well, but I try to not get too involved in it. I find universal words of wisdom work in all places. The more you have the more you are responsible for, the bigger load you have on your back. The more you want the more you have to work to get your desires. I think questioning what we actually need and the benefits our desires in comparison to what we really need is a good idea.
I look at a bunch of expensive PDAs in my drawers that are outdated and think of how much money I spent on them in relation to the pleasure they gave and the people that same money could have helped and it makes me ill. Were they really worth the cost?
including "nagging women, than, isn´t it?
Well, I do believe women have a special talent in that area, but any nagg is a drag. It´s an annoying and ineffective tactic that does more to alienate the subject than to bring about the desired change.
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 01:14 am |
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What came first the chicken or the egg...same analogy...but the answer is the same. The one with the strength does not have to change....they need to be convinced of the benefit. Things don´t always happen as they "should". I´ve gotten to be rather more pragmatic in my method.
Your method? What do you mean by this?
Maybe one of the benefits would be less "nagging women"
Some solutions ought to be find, instead of facing a priority settlement a la egg or chicken, which is in fact a tactic aimed at playing ping pong with responsabilities.
No, I´m in the middle of chaos as well, but I try to not get too involved in it. I find universal words of wisdom work in all places. The more you have the more you are responsible for, the bigger load you have on your back. The more you want the more you have to work to get your desires. I think questioning what we actually need and the benefits our desires in comparison to what we really need is a good idea.
I look at a bunch of expensive PDAs in my drawers that are outdated and think of how much money I spent on them in relation to the pleasure they gave and the people that same money could have helped and it makes me ill. Were they really worth the cost?
Well life is not only about PDA´s and I wonder if you have ever been very close to those who are in need.
including "nagging women, than, isn´t it?
Well, I do believe women have a special talent in that area, but any nagg is a drag. It´s an annoying and ineffective tactic that does more to alienate the subject than to bring about the desired change.
Hm... the same negativities can be brought up to men, too. No reason to condemn the entire mankind or womankind. Besides, jokes are telling us, horrified men would do literally everything to get away from nags - so the tactic has it´s efficiency, isn´t it? So does the slapping or the do as I say which comes from a man. Difficult to establish (for me, especially at this late hour) who starts first. And the issue is changing attitudes, treatement, rights.
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:31 am |
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This is the twenty first century, and it´s a shame, that womem all around the world, are still beem trated as a piece of meat. I am angry, very angry. We ladies are a little more then a sex object. In fact, we are the most important component of society. We are the solid base of the family. In addition, the society, would be a total chaos, without the love a compassion of mothers. Today, women can become or do mostly anything they want to . In fact, it is the reality of today´s society. We are presidents, doctors, lawyers, astronauts, teachers, you name it. We are prctically everything; However, in my opinion, the most valuable task a women could perform is at home. I blame the corruction of the politcal systems around the world for the terrible treatment of wemem. There should be equality regarless of geder. There should severe punishment for those whose in any shape of form mistreat women . Finally, most of the problems or comfrontations among families is strict related with the economy. Things would be quite different, if families would have all the support they need. Reforms are needed all around the world to create a better and more just society. We should stop the exploitation of workers, with a better distribution of the wealth. These changes will bring happiness to millions of families, and millions of children will have a place to call home instead of being on the streets doing drugs. Thank you. Gunesh
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12 Mar 2009 Thu 08:19 pm |
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1 Your method? What do you mean by this?
2 Maybe one of the benefits would be less "nagging women"
Some solutions ought to be find, instead of facing a priority settlement a la egg or chicken, which is in fact a tactic aimed at playing ping pong with responsabilities.
3 Well life is not only about PDA´s and I wonder if you have ever been very close to those who are in need.
4 Hm... the same negativities can be brought up to men, too. No reason to condemn the entire mankind or womankind. Besides, jokes are telling us, horrified men would do literally everything to get away from nags - so the tactic has it´s efficiency, isn´t it? So does the slapping or the do as I say which comes from a man. Difficult to establish (for me, especially at this late hour) who starts first. And the issue is changing attitudes, treatement, rights.
1 I mean:
When someone is in power, they are less likely to listen because they don´t have to listen.
2 Of course, that is why I said just start on the solution now. Whose fault "it" is is n open ended question. Faults are in an abundance, solutions are not.
3 Exactly. Of course I´ve been very close to those in need. I have seen amazing dignity from those in poverty....ans from some with wealth, although it´s harder with the wealthy....they don´t have to. My point regarding the PDAs was in fooling ourself as to what we need. I thought I needed the PDA.
The stories are truly heart breaking. It would be nice if such a thing as sanctuary really existed. A place where one could run for time out, but this life is more like an assembly line. We roll along to out final packaging, some falling off as the vibration of the assembly belt becomes too intense for our tenous hold.
4 Who is condemming the entire of mankind...or womankind? Then is the point to make the nagee run away? I don´t think that is the point, how many really want to be left alone? Isn´t the real objective to find love?...to love and be loved...to be part of a perfect union?
I think if our goals were more altruistic we would all be happier and better off.
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