A study conducted by the Ankara-based Association of Young Businessmen (ANGÝAD) suggests that women residents of the nation´s capital are largely dissatisfied with their lives.

Women aren´t valued in Turkey, 62.9 percent of respondents said, while 64.5 percent said that gender equality was nonexistent in all fields. Forty percent of the women said they had been targets of violence -- and 27.1 percent declined to answer this question. Out of the women who said they faced violence, 60 percent said it was perpetrated by a family member, and 27.5 percent said from a husband.

Trudy, it seems to be a human condition to be dissatisfied with one´s condition. We are driven as a species to constantly "improve" our condition.

For some, having a billion dollars isn´t enough...they want more.

Being thankful for what we have seems to be rare.

 Many of these women have been victims of violence.....are you saying they should just be thankful?

yes, according to some mentality and culture

go educate yourself, you fat turkey eating evil amrikan

 OMG.....I am sure you stole the words right out of alameda´s mouth!  When I pick myself up off the floor, I am going to send you a very negative PM!!

and i will use the spam button. a la alameda style

Trudy, it seems to be a human condition to be dissatisfied with one´s condition. We are driven as a species to constantly "improve" our condition.

For some, having a billion dollars isn´t enough...they want more.

Being thankful for what we have seems to be rare.

As for my beliefs, you do not know me and have no idea of who I am. You don´t know if I´m female or male, a US citizen or an immigrant...or just visiting.

I´d hate to disappoint you but none of frequent TC users is that anonymous - we all share doses of privacy every now and then. We know you are a woman, we know you have a few niquabs, love nargile, live or lived in the NY, you´re still attractive to sexual maniacs on the tube, learnt how to make dresses from your grandmother who´d made them for famous people...it also shows you´re not a teenager as your opinions, whether one agrees with them or not, are balanced and well-thought...see, you´re not a stranger (don´t worry, we won´t tell anyone )

I´d hate to disappoint you but none of frequent TC users is that anonymous - we all share doses of privacy every now and then. We know you are a woman, we know you have a few niquabs, love nargile, live or lived in the NY, you´re still attractive to sexual maniacs on the tube, learnt how to make dresses from your grandmother who´d made them for famous people...it also shows you´re not a teenager as your opinions, whether one agrees with them or not, are balanced and well-thought...see, you´re not a stranger (don´t worry, we won´t tell anyone )

Hmmm... I have to admit my attention was got by the impulsive posts... I have also read the original article.

Alameda, I think I disagree with your post - and opinion.

For eg., reporting violence can not attire thankfulness!

Your comparation is not the most suitable - because greediness is one thing, but to wish different (more peacefull, replenishing) life conditions is different. Of course, this is a wise saying, being thankful for what we got, only it has it´s own meaning. There are wise sayings for domestical violence, too.

And I can come with a parabola, which you may know, also - it is Plato´s parabola with peoples sitting at a tourchlight in caves - they are happy until they discover surface light.... So evolution is a tendency towards "better quality light".

I may understand here a wish to protect a society... true, yet, I was never able to protect injutice, or bad allocation of resources, neglect, unhappiness. I , in my ways, try to do soemthing anagainst these - I am sure that you, in your ways try the same.

And oh, yes, where I live(Romania), we can come with many similarities regarding women "rights" (a term I disagree with, it is reflecting like women have no rights - question of nuance)....

I think, regardless what I know about you or Alameda or anyone else, that this is a rather unappropriate post. Too many details, you know...

 Actually you got that wrong, it was me that made garments for famous people......

Attractive to "you´re still attractive to sexual maniacs on the tube," what tube? First to me....but do you really know any of that, or have you just assumed that to be the case?

 A thughtful post portokal

My point was that many of the issues that the report stated the women were unhappy about would be the same in any situation. When people have the idea the grass is greener someplace else, they long for it rather that appreciating what they actually have.

Of course if a woman does the same work as a man, she should get the same pay and nobody should be beaten or forced to have sex against their will.

I am sorry, do you actually feel this deep down in your heart? Because you´re argument is so rational... (of course)

Then let´s look at the issue of dealing with an ungrateful nagging wife as well. I have seen situations where the husband has become so demoralised by his nagging family he all but gives up. He looses self esteem and lashes out. There is the issue of provocation to consider. It is not always so simple.

This is irrelevant as a social tendency, unless prooven, that a considerable majority of wives are nagging. More than that, I once read a study which i unfortunately am not able to quote now, but nag is also a reaction of isolation. You can find similar example in ethological studies, too. In short, isolate a child and it will become nagging, do it with an animal, it will also show comportamental disturbances... No wonder with women. It is more like vicious circle. Nagging does not come from high esteem , either!!!

I always produce more when given encouragement, demanding produces very little with me.

Yet, we have to face demanding sometimes (I hope I understand the term well, as requesting) and try to find encouragement if not given... sometimes it can happen we are deprived from that, yet, lack of encouragement is acceptable as a fact only under 18, after that, we have to deal with problems...

As for my statement. I still stand by it. Most people always want more rather than being thankful for what they have. What on earth is wrong with that?

. You are undermining a basic civilizational need. Even if mankind can face salf-distruction, the majority of steps were made fr improving throughout history...

This part of the report is generic....it´s true for everyone

"Asked about the biggest problem they faced, 31.1 percent of the women cited trying to get by financially, while 14.1 percent complained of a lack of economic independence. Other issues faced by the women include women being controlled by men and discrimination, problems related to children, violence, abuse, under-education, the inability to take a vacation from responsibilities, not being in control of their own lives and being unable to meet their own clothing and personal expenses. Sixty-five percent of participants described themselves as troubled, while 15.3 percent said they were happy women. Out of those who identified themselves as troubled, one in four said it was because they couldn´t solve their financial problems, and one in five said it was because they were unable to meet their life goals."

I couldn´t even begin to tell you what percentage of females in the US have been raped or molested....it´s very high.

true. (although I did not took statistical data to compare, I admit that) Who said that the "alternative" (in this case US) is perfect? But neither is women´s condition as described in this study an alternative... the alternative is in the future for us to find. (Americans are, i guess, few steps further)

Tube is subway and in one of your posts you said about being harassed by someone there

I am sorry, do you actually feel this deep down in your heart? Because you´re argument is so rational... (of course)

Of course.

This is irrelevant as a social tendency, unless prooven, that a considerable majority of wives are nagging. More than that, I once read a study which i unfortunately am not able to quote now, but nag is also a reaction of isolation. You can find similar example in ethological studies, too. In short, isolate a child and it will become nagging, do it with an animal, it will also show comportamental disturbances... No wonder with women. It is more like vicious circle. Nagging does not come from high esteem , either!!!

Of course, it goes both ways. ...but it has to start someplace.

Yet, we have to face demanding sometimes (I hope I understand the term well, as requesting) and try to find encouragement if not given... sometimes it can happen we are deprived from that, yet, lack of encouragement is acceptable as a fact only under 18, after that, we have to deal with problems...

We may have to, but I do think the pill would go down easier with a bit of honey. I didn´t say it would be easy.

. You are undermining a basic civilizational need. Even if mankind can face salf-distruction, the majority of steps were made fr improving throughout history...

Yes, but that civilizational "need" is causing the whole planet ruin. Maybe it´s time to take a serious evaluation. I also question if the steps were for improvement, or aggrandizment. A lot is just needless self perpetuating drivvle. New fashions every year.....How often we fill our plates with more than we need. Will we have vomitarians again, while the rest of the world starves?

This principal is one of the 4 noble truths as outlined in Buddihism

true. (although I did not took statistical data to compare, I admit that) Who said that the "alternative" (in this case US) is perfect? But neither is women´s condition as described in this study an alternative... the alternative is in the future for us to find. (Americans are, i guess, few steps further)

I would not say Americans are any steps further along, their problems are less public. In my opinion the alternative is to evolve more spiritually in terms of compassion and patience and gratitude as a species.

There are a lot of mashers on the subways in NY. It´s a masher paradise during rush hour. Do you have that where you are? I once had two little girls with me....10 and 13....trying to protect them was a nightmare.

 Of course, it goes both ways. ...but it has to start someplace.

You mean facing the problem and solving? Yes, that has to start somewhere, other way it is simply impossible to delimit a starting point on one side, or the other! But it is usually that those who are in the position with most strenght, socially, that should start changing.

Otherwise, I say this question is irrelevant, as I think it is not women that started it.

What came first the chicken or the egg...same analogy...but the answer is the same. The one with the strength does not have to change....they need to be convinced of the benefit. Things don´t always happen as they "should". I´ve gotten to be rather more pragmatic in my method.

 Are you living in NYC, far from the "madding crowd"? In violence and western degradation?

No, I´m in the middle of chaos as well, but I try to not get too involved in it. I find universal words of wisdom work in all places. The more you have the more you are responsible for, the bigger load you have on your back. The more you want the more you have to work to get your desires. I think questioning what we actually need and the benefits our desires in comparison to what we really need is a good idea.

I look at a bunch of expensive PDAs in my drawers that are outdated and think of how much money I spent on them in relation to the pleasure they gave and the people that same money could have helped and it makes me ill. Were they really worth the cost?

including "nagging women, than, isn´t it?

Well, I do believe women have a special talent in that area, but any nagg is a drag. It´s an annoying and ineffective tactic that does more to alienate the subject than to bring about the desired change.

What came first the chicken or the egg...same analogy...but the answer is the same. The one with the strength does not have to change....they need to be convinced of the benefit. Things don´t always happen as they "should". I´ve gotten to be rather more pragmatic in my method.

Your method? What do you mean by this?

Maybe one of the benefits would be less "nagging women"

Some solutions ought to be find, instead of facing a priority settlement a la egg or chicken, which is in fact a tactic aimed at playing ping pong with responsabilities.

No, I´m in the middle of chaos as well, but I try to not get too involved in it. I find universal words of wisdom work in all places. The more you have the more you are responsible for, the bigger load you have on your back. The more you want the more you have to work to get your desires. I think questioning what we actually need and the benefits our desires in comparison to what we really need is a good idea.

I look at a bunch of expensive PDAs in my drawers that are outdated and think of how much money I spent on them in relation to the pleasure they gave and the people that same money could have helped and it makes me ill. Were they really worth the cost?

Well life is not only about PDA´s and I wonder if you have ever been very close to those who are in need.

including "nagging women, than, isn´t it?

Well, I do believe women have a special talent in that area, but any nagg is a drag. It´s an annoying and ineffective tactic that does more to alienate the subject than to bring about the desired change.

Hm... the same negativities can be brought up to men, too. No reason to condemn the entire mankind or womankind. Besides, jokes are telling us, horrified men would do literally everything to get away from nags - so the tactic has it´s efficiency, isn´t it? So does the slapping or the do as I say which comes from a man. Difficult to establish (for me, especially at this late hour) who starts first. And the issue is changing attitudes, treatement, rights.

1  Your method? What do you mean by this?

2 Maybe one of the benefits would be less "nagging women"

Some solutions ought to be find, instead of facing a priority settlement a la egg or chicken, which is in fact a tactic aimed at playing ping pong with responsabilities.

3 Well life is not only about PDA´s and I wonder if you have ever been very close to those who are in need.

4 Hm... the same negativities can be brought up to men, too. No reason to condemn the entire mankind or womankind. Besides, jokes are telling us, horrified men would do literally everything to get away from nags - so the tactic has it´s efficiency, isn´t it? So does the slapping or the do as I say which comes from a man. Difficult to establish (for me, especially at this late hour) who starts first. And the issue is changing attitudes, treatement, rights.