and how does that relate to the point of the thread?

 So you´re saying ?!

Ýts fine he was killed ?

Ý dont get your point !

At least that proves my point, you knew about those bunch of muslims who set the fire in Türkiye but you dont know about Ali Mohammed even he was killed at the USA where you live...not thousands of miles away !

Point taken .

Ým sure if i want i can find many other examples in response to what you are saying here and you wouldnt know anything about them as well.

But what i dont get it, is why was its irritating you that much you werent even able to say ´ its bad crime´ when i posted hate crimes against muslims but when the post be hate crime done by muslims you find other examples as well ?

Are crimes acceptable when its done to us but horrible when muslims do it and deserve many comments on how bad muslims can be ?

And you talk about double standards ?!!!!

Sometimes I think it would be better if the entire world were like me, infidel. But then again. It is a human disease indeed. People would soon find another reason to feel hatred towards each other. It´s a shame such things happen.

 Canlý, I understand your frustration. However, you shouldn´t take such internetcomments too seriously. Most of them are said within the safety of cyber-environment, yes, but that doesn´t mean that people speak the truth. It means they think less about the consequences of their words and often speak without having thought of it. You would be surprized how many people exaggerate their opinion online, not because that is what they really think, just because it is easy and cool to be a ´bit more´ than you usually are. But ofcourse, it shows a tendency in the way some people really think unfortunately One of our politicians asked to be calculated how much ´non-western foreigners´ in our country cost society. That is asking how expensive muslims are in our country :-S Now its a disgusting thing that happened, but I am really glad: if it is calculated well, he will see that our society goes bankrupt with all ´these muslims´ But again, nothing to take too serious. If I would base my idea on how the muslim-world thinks based on youtube/internet-comments, I´d really be scared of ´them´.

But.. it made you talk in ´they hate us´.    Most people of  what you call ´they´ (my ´us´ ) do not hate most people of what you call ´us´ (your they ).

No, of course this crime is not acceptable, I have said it before, but I am wondering if it is this way for some Muslims! When a muslim person is hated and killed for her/his religion, it seems to concern the Muslims around the world, but when the Muslims hate and kill others, does that concern you? I am simply wondering if your concern for hate crime is only there when Muslims are the victims or if you truly care about people in general.

no it`s the other way around, people are free to speak up what they think on the internet.  That`s not the case in real life because they will feel ashamed to throw out hatred in presense of other people. So those comments we read on the internet are the pure thoughts of these people.

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One of our politicians asked to be calculated how much ´non-western foreigners´ in our country cost society. That is asking how expensive muslims are in our country :-S Now its a disgusting thing that happened, but I am really glad: if it is calculated well, he will see that our society goes bankrupt with all ´these muslims´

ask any economist and he will tell you that the economic benefits from immigrants will always  outweight the cost to the society in long term.  (higher labor supply --> lower wages, higher employment --> decreased cost production, higher number of business activities --> increased labor demand, increased wages )So why do politicians always play the card of hatred against immigrants? it`s because they are not economists but politicians. it`s not surprising that the nazist christian parties in the west speculate that muslim immigrants will hurt the economy. their concern is not the economy but racism.

that`s actually more of a your type of hypocrisy, and the point of the thread is exactly this. And how do we come to this conclusion?

when muslims kill non-muslims you will see every bit of detail about the incident in media, but when christians kill non-christians (especially muslims) no one will care about it, google this murder and see if you can find anything on the major news sites.

Btw. I`m an Alevi myself, so don`t try to use the Sivas massacre for your cheap argument.

My cheap argument, geez. Is this a discussion for you or a fight, if you want to fight go punch your boxing bag, otherwise, I expect some level of respect here.

I have said it in the past, that I agree that there is a level of discrimination against muslims around the world, however, it is undeniable that muslims are not innocent either. Sivas massacre was a burning alive of dozens of people, not a single person, which I´m sure goes on a lot without much ado, so I don´t think that these two are comparable.

Anyway, I don´t know a lot about muslim-nonmuslim issues, so I won´t talk about it, but it does strike me that all these muslims who are so outraged when something is done unjustly against them, are completely quiet when they are the perpetrators. That is what I called the double standard.

If you think the Sivas Massacre is not acknowledged in Turkey, you`re wrong. Just because you don`t hear anything about Alevis in Europe doesn`t mean this massacre is not acknowledged in Turkey. And why don`t you hear anything about Alevis in Europe despite the fact that they are the most oppressed people of Turkey along with Gypsies? It`s because they don`t have a terrorist group and they didn`t do the dirty jobs of the Christians in the Muslim genocide of Iraq unlike some very infamous group of people in Turkey. This is what I call double standard.

 Well, it is relaly not like ´no one cares´. If the media doesn´t show the people, then how can they form a correct opinion.  The world would be a better place if media were free and reported without biase. You are very correct in your statement about the media towards muslims, but incorrect when you think ´christians just don´t care´.

 You dont get it !

When there are 2 families living in one place, one black, and the other is white, when anything bad, wrong has been done, others point to the black everytime

When its proven correct, family of the black says, he is wrong, he should be corrected

Then happened again and again, always blame the black even without evidence, then when the white does something wrong, they also blame the black because he done wrong before

Blame the black and excuse the white

When black did something bad to black one like him, it goes peacefuly, whites dont even care...as in ´good they are killing each others´

And its happening same way always

So tell me, would the family of the black keep saying he was wrong and he should be corrected ?!

Well, you already say more than that, when he´s guilty and when he´s innocent .

The rule became, he  always to blame and white always innocent....so be it !

Btw, when Muslims commit hate crimes we do condemn them but actually you dont hear and dont want to hear too.