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The differences in culture - Turkish/Kurdish
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150.       Gülümseme
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 06 Jun 2010 Sun 11:51 pm

 

Quoting metehan2001

 

 

 If you do something wrong yourselves in UK , try to stop it. The case is not the same with Turkey. Turkish Government and people are not in a war with our Kurdish people. We are all citizens of Turkey and have the same rights. Just a small amount of Kurdish people live in South-East Region of Turkey and some Turkish people also live in the same region. More than the Kurdish people living in the mentioned area, millions of them live in the west and other region of Turkey. They are our neighbors, friends and family members (there are millions of marriages between Turks and Kurds). So, even if one thinks a discrimination between Turks and Kurds, it is not possible to realize it. 

Turks and Kurds are not hate eachother but both hate  PKK Terrorist Orgazisation which aims an independent Kurdistan in South-East Turkey through cruel and horrible attacks. Almost every weak a hurtful news comes on tv and newspapers: The PKK attack caused some Turkish soldiers´ death in the regon. We have been keeping on listening those news for 30 years, and naturally some Turkish young and illiterate man or some Turkish people who lost their family members in PKK attacks, get more angry and start blaming PKK and Kurdish people in general. But this doesn´t mean that any sensible ordinary Turkish gets angry and against Kurds. Well, a provocateur can take some small incidents and show them as sample or proof of Turkish hate towards Kurds in general.  But this is not true. As an ordinary and typical Turkish person I declare once more here: "I don´t have any problems with Kurdish people and there is no disrimination for Kurdish people in Turkey. You can not take single examples as if they are in general.

 

 ummm did I say you were any of the above ? no I made no comment that I thought you were ..Me senses a bit of defensiveness 



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151.       metehan2001
501 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 12:16 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Ok I am telling Metehan, ´hey that is enough, you have done your duty more than enough-we dont want to hear you insulting Turkey anymore´ -This is really embarresing for me for example..people will think everyone in Turkey is like you!!! btw..who is paying you to do this?

Anyway, I think again, I will ask you to prove any of the lies you are mentioning !!! if you can not than we have to talk about who is a lier I am afraid..

 

ps..You are doing the same thing in my columns..coming and copying and pasting something, crying, calling admins to tell me off or be sensible, jumping up and down etc..But I wrote overthere..´here are things I have written..take them , line by line, critisize them, tell the truth according to you.. If you can..

can you?

I really think that you are abit naive about these things. Because you are talking like our ex  dictator Kenan Evren would talk..It is exactly the same way..You dont have ideas about these subjects; you did not read; you did not investigate; you have just believed what you were told; and they were telling lies to you!!..Please stop..

 

 You are talking like a child. I am a 50 years old man and educated enough. If you want to be enlighten I can do it too, for free. Just go to the links I gave in my columns and read the reports about the Armenian and "Kurdish" Issues you are talking about continuosly, then you will see how you tell lies in your columns. I proved everything there. Well, are you getting crazy because your nasty game in this site finishes?

By the way, I don´t think there is any similarity between me and Kenan Evren. I have never liked him either. You are just a dreamer, you see something never exists. I don´t like dictatorship too, but it seems that you and your supporters want this site under your dictatorship. If somebody shows the other side of the locket, you become angry and starting to accuse him as "racist, fascist, supporter of dictatorship, against humanrights. etc." I am telling you and the people who are participator of your game: Please stop, this meaningless game. Many people sent mails to me and they said that they are fed up your baseless accusations. Everbody wants to see something valuable in this site. Thanks God there are many sensible users who use this site in a very useful way.

Well, thehandsom, will you stop behaving like an adolescent and try to become a part of those sensible group?



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152.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 12:23 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I know there were some belittling Kurds, calling ethnic minorities as backwards etc going on but plewase give us some  

 

This is pure demagogy...

May I ask you depict the culture and life in the region? I must have missed all the good points. Please explain the reasons of inequality between the two sexes; the reason behind multiple marriages, and why women have to marry the brother of his deceased husband. Please justfy feuds, inequal distribution of inheritance between brothers and sisters. There are many more but these would serve a good starter.

153.       gezegen
269 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 12:48 am

 

Quoting vineyards

 

Please explain the reasons of inequality between the two sexes; the reason behind multiple marriages, and why women have to marry the brother of his deceased husband. Please justfy feuds, inequal distribution of inheritance between brothers and sisters. There are many more but these would serve a good starter.

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but except one related to the marriage, none of the above practices are peculiar to the region in question, but they are true with the whole country. Maybe you could make a good starting by explaining to us why they do reflect the whole country, rather than the region?



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154.       metehan2001
501 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 01:27 am

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

This is pure demagogy...

May I ask you depict the culture and life in the region? I must have missed all the good points. Please explain the reasons of inequality between the two sexes; the reason behind multiple marriages, and why women have to marry the brother of his deceased husband. Please justfy feuds, inequal distribution of inheritance between brothers and sisters. There are many more but these would serve a good starter.

 Dear vineyard, you have written something against thehandsom´s view, but the answer has come from gezegen? As an old user here, maybe you can explain, what is the relation between these two users. Are they the members of an organized group in this site? Whenever somebody criticizes one of them, the other one interferes into the  discussion and always supports him. Have you ever seen them as defending a different view on a peculiar subject?

 

155.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 01:41 am

Sorryi I wasn´t raised in a flower pot.

I am glad all of our country enjoys the same cultural assets. There is simply no difference.

It is therefore pointless to be in any form of conflict. With East not lagging behind West, the current problems might have been imported from outer space.

Are you joking?

 

Quoting gezegen

 

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but except one related to the marriage, none of the above practices are peculiar to the region in question, but they are true with the whole country. Maybe you could make a good starting by explaining to us why they do reflect the whole country, rather than the region?

 

 

156.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 03:17 am

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

This is pure demagogy...

May I ask you depict the culture and life in the region? I must have missed all the good points. Please explain the reasons of inequality between the two sexes; the reason behind multiple marriages, and why women have to marry the brother of his deceased husband. Please justfy feuds, inequal distribution of inheritance between brothers and sisters. There are many more but these would serve a good starter.

 

Interesting....the type of marriage you mention is called Levirate Marriage... and is practiced in many parts of the world.  It is strictly forbitten in Islam.

157.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 05:06 am

I don´t know. Maybe the site owner can explain this.

 

I have never changed my nick or pretended to be someone else. Maybe some of us feel the need to do so.

 

Quoting metehan2001

 

 Dear vineyard, you have written something against thehandsom´s view, but the answer has come from gezegen? As an old user here, maybe you can explain, what is the relation between these two users. Are they the members of an organized group in this site? Whenever somebody criticizes one of them, the other one interferes into the  discussion and always supports him. Have you ever seen them as defending a different view on a peculiar subject?

 

 

 

158.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 09:43 am

 

Quoting alameda

 

Quoting Paramedic

 

As a foreigner I have met and spoke to many Turkish and I would unfortunately have to agree,that racist remarks exist.  I have heard on numerous occasions " Oh yes the kurds are (*&^%^&&^ all negative comments ) but we are living in harmony we don´t have a problem with kurds. I have also heard half-breed  referrals for everyone who is not 100% Turk

I am not going say anything about the politic because I can find that everywhere on internet. I  think originally this forum was started for us foreigners to understand the cultural differences - like food or holiday festival activities.

But you do realize your experiences are subjective?  They are your experiences.  How many Turks do you know, how long have you known them, from what sectors of societies are they?

 

I have been in contact with various sectors from Turkish society for years. In that time I have heard no anti Kurdish statements. In fact, I didn´t even realize some of the people I knew were Kurds, Laz, Çerkiz and so on until recently.  Everyone presented themselves as Turkish citizens. The unfortunate birth of the PKK changed things.

Nobody would mind anybody´s ethnic bakground that much. But it´s not the case anymore. The plan is working well. Now everybody is concerned with others ethnicities these days. We are on the way for the partion of Turkey. To me it seems like it will happen sooner or later. Yes it´s definetely an external fabrication.

 

I´ve spent time in Turkey at social events were different ethnicities were together and I saw no social tension. It really appears to me this is an external fabrication. The old divide and conquer strategy.

 

I have heard no half breed comments. The very idea is absurd. There are very few ethnicly pure "Turkic" people in Turkey. Even then, what "Turks" are you talking about? You do realize there are many different Turkic groups, don´t you?

 

 

159.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 10:06 am

 

Quoting metehan2001

 

Let me clearly state my opinion here: "Nobody should insult or criticize somebody just because of he/she belongs to another nation". That is the ugliest thing! We can´t chose our origin, therefore no one can blame us just because of our origin. But we can accuse and blame people if they continuously insult our history, people and culture; specially, if they do it in favour of another nation. Ofcourse, we will be against of Armenian terrorist because they have attacted to innocent Turkish civilians. We will definetely protest the cheap Armenian propagandists due to their false writings on Armenian-Turkish question. But we can never be enemy of simple, ordinary Armenians. We can´t be against of any nation, just because it is another nation. I hope I made clear my opinion and attitude about the nations.

 

Let´s come to your stuation, thehandsom: Can you please tell me what kind of Turk you are? The only thing you do in this forum is sending the posts in which you always try to give a false image about Turkey and Turks. At the same time, you try to create an innocent, sympathetic (like freedom fighters) image of either Armenian terrorists or Kurdish Terrorists. Many foreigner users in this site are not aware of what has happened in the past and what is happening in the present of Turkey. You insistently misinform them about Turkey and Turkish people. If anyone does a little research on Turkish history, he/she can understand that racism is against our nature. If we had applied racist politics in the past (1000 years) there could be no other nation in Turkey or in the countries ruled by Turks. Many people who belong to different communities, have different origins had been appointed as high burocrats during the Ottoman State. There were many nations under Ottoman rule and no nation lost it´s identity, language and culture. Therefore, just give up accusing the Turks being racist. That attitude and the ideology is totally strange to us. Everbody knows that such ideologies have been produced in West by western thinkers, then spread out all the countries.

Lastly, if you are a just, honest person and don´t have some hidden intent, when you write something in this site, express the different views on the subject. Don´t be one-sided.

One more thing: Don´t we have any good qualities deserving to be mentioned? Are we totally bad? Nothing good with us in the past and present? Just try if you can find someting better to write about Turks.

 

 

 

I don´t believe that he´s a Türk. Why would a Türk constantly feed anti-Turkish content here? He´s here on a mission (read his posts/columns and one will get the idea of what that mission is). He constantly talks about evil Turks doing bad things to (angel) Kurds. I haven´t heard anything bad about Kurds in his posts. Does he really think Kurds are angels or something?

 

He talks about the 1915 events but he is always pro-Armenian as you can expect. He talks as if Turks were the only ones to be blamed and Armenians were angels. There must some faults of Armenians right? But he never talks about them. I wonder why? Why to always blame Turks?

160.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 01:14 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

I don´t believe that he´s a Türk. Why would a Türk constantly feed anti-Turkish content here? He´s here on a mission (read his posts/columns and one will get the idea of what that mission is). He constantly talks about evil Turks doing bad things to (angel) Kurds. I haven´t heard anything bad about Kurds in his posts. Does he really think Kurds are angels or something?

 

He talks about the 1915 events but he is always pro-Armenian as you can expect. He talks as if Turks were the only ones to be blamed and Armenians were angels. There must some faults of Armenians right? But he never talks about them. I wonder why? Why to always blame Turks?

 

I deny that anything I post here anti Turkish.. You can not prove that at all..

But I can clearly say that "they are anti-racist" 

In fact, I believe, you are quite anti Turkish according to my view. I mean with all these ignorance about these subjects/ acting guilty as if you are trying to cover up something. I am feeling  embarrassed most of the time to be honest to argue with you guys because you are suddenly posting something to give the impression that ´all Turks are like you; all Turks are agitated easily; all Turks are trying to hide something because of the way they are objecting´. 

I really believe that you are portraying a Turkish image here as ´argumentative; racist like nationalists; fear to talk about its history etc´..

That is quite wrong!!


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