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The differences in culture - Turkish/Kurdish
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170.       si++
3785 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 11:01 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

Just to make you happy,yes, you must be Armenian...If I were Armenian, I would be proud of my origin, but you are simply not...By the way, what makes you think that you are the only digger here?..{#emotions_dlg.lol} You are funny,boy..I guess your history knowledge is too short, but yet you pretend to be an historian. As for Kenan Evren, he is the clumsiest painter I have ever come across.{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}  

 

Oh boy. I know you are tempted to make him happy by saying it, but let´s just be more politically correct. Everybody should have known by now what he is or is not. Leave it to their imagination.

 



Edited (6/10/2010) by si++

171.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 11:06 am

You should really LOOK at yourself..

You keep ignoring the main subject and trying to get personal..

Stop this yani..Please..

We have repeated this here countless times.. In almost cases, you embarrassed yourselves and you embarrassed your country.

What makes you think suddenly, it will be different this time?

So stop it..

172.       scalpel
1472 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 11:42 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

You should really LOOK at yourself..

You keep ignoring the main subject and trying to get personal..

Stop this yani..Please..

We have repeated this here countless times.. In almost cases, you embarrassed yourselves and you embarrassed your country.

What makes you think suddenly, it will be different this time?

So stop it..

 

First of all, it is you who brings it to a personal level where and when your knowledge ends. Please be humble enough and honest enough to know where your knowledge ends. (probably it´s the same point where my knowledge starts Wink  And, please, stop hating and insulting people who don´t agree with you. Do we all have to agree with everything you say? You terrorize the people here! You want us all to share your historical view. When someone disagree with you, it automatically means they are "ignorant, racist, sheep like" guys...if you will be a good boy, we can go back to the main topic...if not...ermm...we will pull your ear and show the right way.{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

 

173.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 11:57 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

First of all, it is you who brings it to a personal level where and when your knowledge ends. Please be humble enough and honest enough to know where your knowledge ends. (probably it´s the same point where my knowledge starts Wink  And, please, stop hating and insulting people who don´t agree with you. Do we all have to agree with everything you say? You terrorize the people here! You want us all to share your historical view. When someone disagree with you, it automatically means they are "ignorant, racist, sheep like" guys...if you will be a good boy, we can go back to the main topic...if not...ermm...we will pull your ear and show the right way.{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

 

 

Ha ha

Fantastic!!! lol

I dont terrorize people at all ...But boy, I am not the one trying to get personal here.. Look at yourself..

Check who started going personal in this thread for example? 

 

174.       oeince
582 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 12:22 pm

This is a post for the ones who seek the truth. Handsome guy, u shall stop to read that

 

Armenians were called as “loyal nation” by Ottoman Empire until the end of 1800s. They were appointed to most important duties. Gabriel Noradugyan was the Foreign Affairs Minister and Sakız Ohannes Paşa was the Treasure Minister of Ottoman Empire in the beginning of 1900s. These are not unique samples, I wrote these down just because they are notable. Rather than these two, there have been Armenian grand viziers, other ministers, highest officers, lecturers, artists, architects etc. http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/relations/ottoman.html  I mean, Armenians were taking place in all levels of Ottoman Empire’s social life without any discrimination. They were Ottomans as much as a Turks.

 

So what happened and this 600 years “loyal nation” have been relocated?

 

At the end of 1800s nationalist trends have been arisen amongst Armenians by the effect of Russian provokes. Armenian gangs and factious organizations were established in this era. Turkish and Kurdish villages were indefensible in this era because Ottoman Army was trying to defend their lands and almost every men who can keep a gun were joined the army. Armenian gangs who do not take place in Ottoman Army begin to attack these indefensible villages especially in the eastern Anatolia. They have been murdered ten thousands of civilians in Erzurum, Muş, Van, Zeytun etc.

 

During and after the first decade of 1900s Armenian massacres and rebellions wounded whole eastern Anatolia and also some other Anatolian cities. While Ottoman nation was getting prepared for exist or dissolve struggle, Armenians were cooperating with the enemies and shut Ottoman from inside. The” loyal nation” turned to be betrayal nation. So the Armenians subjected to relocation. When we consider the zeitgeist, that application can be described as over peaceful.

 

Turkish people are smooth ones. One do not be punished by Turkish community if he does not touch Turks sore spot.

 

In that era, Arabs were betrayed to Ottoman Empire too. They cooperated with the UK and attacked Ottoman Army. They owe their miserable conditions to that betray. Their sources are exploited and they have never lived in peace after that betray. Today, the biggest hope of them for peace is Turkey’s support. Turkey will give that support. Turkish society is not rancorous, forgives easily especially the ones with ties of affection.

What I wonder is, when will the northern Iraqi Kurds who are in cooperation with Israel and USA, will call Turks to be saved! Just like they run away to Turkey when Saddam bombed them.

 

What I also wonder is the PKK’s miserable end after the USA’s job ends with them. Just like USA did to Taliban.

 

No one who betrayed Turks became happy. Probably they miss Turks justice and the comfort of that era.

 

The world’s power balance is changing. Turkey is changing. Turks sickness of last two centuries which is the reason of underdevelopment,- western admiration- is coming to an end.Turkey begin to make its own policies again. So, who knows what happens...



Edited (6/10/2010) by oeince [its about notepad]

175.       scalpel
1472 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 12:31 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Ha ha

Fantastic!!! lol

I dont terrorize people at all ...But boy, I am not the one trying to get personal here.. Look at yourself..

Check who started going personal in this thread for example? 

 

 

Damn. It is typical of me to be a fantastic boy {#emotions_dlg.razz}

 

Tamam, I admit, there is at least one thing that you can do better than me: word salad {#emotions_dlg.lol}

176.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 12:59 pm

 

Quoting oeince

This is a post for the ones who seek the truth. Handsome guy, u shall stop to read that

 

Armenians were called as “loyal nation” by Ottoman Empire until the end of 1800s. They were appointed to most important duties. Gabriel Noradugyan was the Foreign Affairs Minister and Sakız Ohannes Paşa was the Treasure Minister of Ottoman Empire in the beginning of 1900s. These are not unique samples, I wrote these down just because they are notable. Rather than these two, there have been Armenian grand viziers, other ministers, highest officers, lecturers, artists, architects etc. http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/relations/ottoman.html  I mean, Armenians were taking place in all levels of Ottoman Empire’s social life without any discrimination. They were Ottomans as much as a Turks.

 

So what happened and this 600 years “loyal nation” have been relocated?

 

At the end of 1800s nationalist trends have been arisen amongst Armenians by the effect of Russian provokes. Armenian gangs and factious organizations were established in this era. Turkish and Kurdish villages were indefensible in this era because Ottoman Army was trying to defend their lands and almost every men who can keep a gun were joined the army. Armenian gangs who do not take place in Ottoman Army begin to attack these indefensible villages especially in the eastern Anatolia. They have been murdered ten thousands of civilians in Erzurum, Muş, Van, Zeytun etc.

 

During and after the first decade of 1900s Armenian massacres and rebellions wounded whole eastern Anatolia and also some other Anatolian cities. While Ottoman nation was getting prepared for exist or dissolve struggle, Armenians were cooperating with the enemies and shut Ottoman from inside. The” loyal nation” turned to be betrayal nation. So the Armenians subjected to relocation. When we consider the zeitgeist, that application can be described as over peaceful.

 

Turkish people are smooth ones. One do not be punished by Turkish community if he does not touch Turks sore spot.

 

In that era, Arabs were betrayed to Ottoman Empire too. They cooperated with the UK and attacked Ottoman Army. They owe their miserable conditions to that betray. Their sources are exploited and they have never lived in peace after that betray. Today, the biggest hope of them for peace is Turkey’s support. Turkey will give that support. Turkish society is not rancorous, forgives easily especially the ones with ties of affection.

What I wonder is, when will the northern Iraqi Kurds who are in cooperation with Israel and USA, will call Turks to be saved! Just like they run away to Turkey when Saddam bombed them.

 

What I also wonder is the PKK’s miserable end after the USA’s job ends with them. Just like USA did to Taliban.

 

No one who betrayed Turks became happy. Probably they miss Turks justice and the comfort of that era.

 

The world’s power balance is changing. Turkey is changing. Turks sickness of last two centuries which is the reason of underdevelopment,- western admiration- is coming to an end.Turkey begin to make its own policies again. So, who knows what happens...

 

Ohh

This is nice..

All people who wanted to leave Ottomans are ingratitude bastards lol.

Anyway, the danger in your writing is that ´you dont think what we did the Armenians was a wrong thing´ you think they DESERVED it..

As if all those suffering which was caused, can be somehow DESERVED. 

It is not what is done important but the important thing is "they deserved it"..

It means ´yes. we did it..we are proud of it and we can do it again to others such as Kurds´ 

 

 

 

177.       oeince
582 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 01:02 pm

I told you not to read it dude. Your brain is not working like a normal human...

178.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 01:06 pm

 

Quoting oeince

I told you not to read it dude. Your brain is not working like a normal human...

 

Come on.. Stop getting personal.. lol

So, do you want to compare Samsun and Diyarbakir this time to show that how terrorist Kurds are? eh? lol

 

Come on ..tell us once more:

´yes. we did it..we are proud of it and we can do it again to others such as Kurds´

Say it louder this time..

 



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Edited (6/10/2010) by thehandsom

179.       oeince
582 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 02:44 pm

"When we consider the zeitgeist, that application can be described as over peaceful."

 

Crystal clear explaination of that phrase for the nerd

 

What is a country? Basically a country is a place where all citizens live safe. If some citizens of the country organisationally and chronically threatens others life safety, if some citizens try to split the country in cooperation with enemies, the mission of the government would be to stop that. Relocation of these gangs is one of the most peaceful executions for a government who is in existing or disappear war.

 

I am proud of my nation, in order they did not choose to kill these organized betrayers, I am proud of my nation in order they never choosed savagery even in war conditions. After I see some nations genocided the others just because they hate them or they want their sources, I get proud of my nation twice.

 

Coming to the Kurdish people. Whatever terrorists do, they won’t able to damage our brotherhood. If I were an Anatolian Kurdish I would be proud of my nation too.

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180.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 03:02 pm

Just a few paragraphs from my last column for the people who think this ´was a normal thing to do´ :

 

As I meantioned before, In anatolia there was no tradition of moving a people, a millet/nation who was not very friendly with you because of the war. 

Turks or Ottomans did not even consider to deport the Bulgarians when they were fighting between them and the Russians and they well knew they would lose the war but the idea of deporting Bulgarians was never thought of. 

Ataturk never ever considered moving part of population because of rebellions during the independence war.... 

And there is still no logical explanation why you would move the women and childeren and the sick if your aim is really to protect them or your army..why not the men only? And what were the armenians in Istanbul got to do with the incidents in the east?

 

Shameful act at any level!!!

 


 

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