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20.       vineyards
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 29 Dec 2009 Tue 03:10 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

I love it when people say "the system" or "the government" or "the companies" like

 

Well, as a matter of fact, you are wrong here and other people are actually doing the right thing by questioning all these entities.

 

There will surely be other, better systems and by raising these questions we are actually paving the path for better alternatives.

 

Tomorrow, there will be different regimes, different policies and different business forms since humans needs and demands will substantially change in the course of time.

 

21.       barba_mama
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 30 Dec 2009 Wed 12:16 am

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

Well, as a matter of fact, you are wrong here and other people are actually doing the right thing by questioning all these entities.

 

There will surely be other, better systems and by raising these questions we are actually paving the path for better alternatives.

 

Tomorrow, there will be different regimes, different policies and different business forms since humans needs and demands will substantially change in the course of time.

 

 

I´m not saying questioning the status quo is bad. But people need to realize the actual power they can have if they speak up, and motivate others to do the same. I truly believe that a better world starts at yourself. So, not sit back and complain, about companies or governments, but actually do something about it. Protest, change your own behaviour, stuff like that.

 

22.       alameda
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 30 Dec 2009 Wed 04:23 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I´m not saying questioning the status quo is bad. But people need to realize the actual power they can have if they speak up, and motivate others to do the same. I truly believe that a better world starts at yourself. So, not sit back and complain, about companies or governments, but actually do something about it. Protest, change your own behaviour, stuff like that.

 

 

Actually.....the whole thing begins with the questioning.....no questions....where are the answers?  Speaking without facts is not very effective.....but of course....it all starts at home.  You can call it a complaint...or you can call it reporting. If I ate in a place that gave me food poisoning and I report it, is it a complaint or am I doing a public service by letting others know?



Edited (12/30/2009) by alameda [duplicate words.....]

23.       catwoman
8933 posts
 30 Dec 2009 Wed 04:42 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

I´m not saying questioning the status quo is bad. But people need to realize the actual power they can have if they speak up, and motivate others to do the same. I truly believe that a better world starts at yourself. So, not sit back and complain, about companies or governments, but actually do something about it. Protest, change your own behaviour, stuff like that.

 

That is how a functioning democracy would look like, if people felt that their actions actually did make a difference. We really are apathetic and stop at blaming the government and corporate power. I think that it´s important to identify the problem, which sometimes IS the corporations and the government, but then we should act ourselves.. organize.. etc.

24.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 30 Dec 2009 Wed 12:58 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

Actually.....the whole thing begins with the questioning.....no questions....where are the answers?  Speaking without facts is not very effective.....but of course....it all starts at home.  You can call it a complaint...or you can call it reporting. If I ate in a place that gave me food poisoning and I report it, is it a complaint or am I doing a public service by letting others know?

 

Actually reporting it, is an action in my eyes. Sitting at home, telling your aunty that the place had bad food, is complaining. Nothing will change, unless your aunt has the power to close restaurants You have to do something, like report it to officials to change something.

 

What I mean was, is that you have to do the things that will actually make a difference, instead of talking about the situation in a way that will not actually change anything about the situation. I think we are on the same page actually

 

25.       vineyards
1954 posts
 30 Dec 2009 Wed 02:24 pm

Well, not all governments and civil institutions are decent. In fact, corruption is quite ubiquitous. How can it not be now that all living things are opportunist by nature? We humans tend to abuse, misuse or simply over use all sorts of power at our disposal. Politicians are humans too. They just have a greater access to the venues of large scale corruption.

 

Luckily, humans are not completely bad. There are good among us and yet again not all bad people are completely bad. The human brain takes decisions or reaches conclusions by weighing alternatives. In vocal societies there is a state of conflict among alternatives. Yet there is also a constant exposure to other alternatives. If you live in a vocal society, you may start life as a revolutionary and end up as a conservative. Nevertheless, in the process the definitions of both revolutionary and conservative may have substantially changed.

 

In welfare societies there is corruption too but since people are happier with their system they usually don´t run in the streets with banners and clubs in their hands. Although there are sharp differences between classes majority of people have enough means to support their lives. You would hear compaints of the government in developing countries mostly. When people unite in something equal there is usually less conflict. For example, in the army, there are hardships but then these hardships are equally present for everyone. So, all the soldiers keep marching together in a complete accord. Problems start when differences in society become pronounced...

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Actually reporting it, is an action in my eyes. Sitting at home, telling your aunty that the place had bad food, is complaining. Nothing will change, unless your aunt has the power to close restaurants You have to do something, like report it to officials to change something.

 

What I mean was, is that you have to do the things that will actually make a difference, instead of talking about the situation in a way that will not actually change anything about the situation. I think we are on the same page actually

 

 

 

26.       alameda
3499 posts
 30 Dec 2009 Wed 10:49 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Actually reporting it, is an action in my eyes. Sitting at home, telling your aunty that the place had bad food, is complaining. Nothing will change, unless your aunt has the power to close restaurants You have to do something, like report it to officials to change something.

 

What I mean was, is that you have to do the things that will actually make a difference, instead of talking about the situation in a way that will not actually change anything about the situation. I think we are on the same page actually

 

 

Actually just discussing a situation does help and adds energy to the issue.  Sometimes it helps to figure out just what is going on, and finding who/where to do the reporting.  We have all had that expereince.  You know the,  "did that really happen?" feeling?    Vineyards mentioned.....there is also the issue of corruption.  I have been through that many times reporting problems to the "authorities" who really just used it as fodder to get more bribes....A judge who was involved with a case I was working on was brought up on bribe charges....so it does happen. 

 

One single complaint disconnected rarely brings about change.  It is the cumulative effect of a group of united complaints that bring about change..........Then again, sometimes talking with your friends is the best type of reporting to do.   In reality....it is the peasants with their pitchforks and torches demanding change that brings it about.  Even just the threat or perceived threat of a bunch of protesters is often enough. The people do have the power, but the people are also subject to corruption as well.  After all, nobody likes to be uncomfortable...........which is our weakness...and cohesion is always a problem.  It´s easy to be distracted, particularly when working with a group of humans, all with different self interests.

 

A lawyer I was working with once told me...."remember, the squeaky wheel gets oiled"...........

 

In issues like this....human trafficking....we need to think of weeds....it spreads it´s seeds.  Pretty soon your yard is full of weeds that choke out your plants.  In cases like human trafficking, what is to prevent you or your loved ones from becoming a victim? Some well educated people have been trapped.....if we let it go....it will spread.  Which is to say we need to question talk about it and raise consciousness about the issue.

 

Stop Forced Child Labour

 

The US Department of State estimates that more than 109,000 children in Cote d’Ivoire’s cocoa industry work under “the worst forms of child labor,” and that some 10,000 are victims of human trafficking or enslavement.



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